How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

Post by zippothrowaway » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 9:18 PM UTC

dataflow wrote: post #59

rubzah wrote: post #4

There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale. For that alone they should, at the very least, be an outcast in the international community. But here we are.

The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true (or is irrelevant)?

Post by JumpCrisscross » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 9:19 PM UTC

jordanb wrote: post #23

The Trump peace plan calls for a resumption of aid contingent on the Palestinians accepting the deal. Please understand that this is a war crime. You can not use starvation of civilians as a weapon or as leverage against combatants.

Post by JumpCrisscross » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 9:21 PM UTC

dfxm12 wrote: post #29

rubzah wrote: post #4

There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale. For that alone they should, at the very least, be an outcast in the international community. But here we are.

That they have the backing and blessing of the US government is the counter-argument to this. The US can almost unilaterally end this war if they want to.

Post by ipaddr » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 9:22 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #356

basisword wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As you say definitions matter - so let's not invent hypothetical scenarios to dismiss points. Israel was not arguing about the definition of 'acute malnourished'. The threshold for famine is 15%. The IPC said it had just hit 16% and was thus a famine. Israel was arguing that other data showed it was only 12.2-13.5% and therefore not a famine. When you get to the point of arguing "only 12% of the children are starving…

> When you get to the point of arguing "only 12% of the children are starving, not 16%" you probably shouldn't bother Devil's advocate: we grow enough food to feed every human. What we lack is the logistics. War disrupts logistics. Food insecurity rising is thus, unfortunately, an expected (and probably unmitigatable) consequence of war. That's why we have to define a line, based on history and capability, that sets…

Post by stronglikedan » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 9:23 PM UTC

chakintosh wrote: post #377

> How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza Way to whitewash a genocide. The title make it sound like the famine is accidental or an unintended consequence of Israel's "actions". While in reality, it's the sole purpose of what Israel is doing in Gaza for years, they are conducting a genocide, plain and simple.