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How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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The horror that starvation inflicts on the human mind is beyond comparison. My grandfather experienced this firsthand when he fled from the Japanese invasion, an occupation that stripped civilians of their food supply. He helplessly watched as his parents, relatives, and even his older brother succumbed one by one to hunger. Barely escaping the same fate, he fled the country just before starvation could claim his own life.

When I was eight years old, I asked him why he always kept a room filled with dried cassava root. His reply was simple but unforgettable: dying from starvation is the most terrifying experience imaginable, and he was determined never to endure it again.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Isn’t it true that some of the leadership doesn’t live in gaza at all?

Yes, that's who was bombed in Qatar.

They do some finances and politics but aren't involved in running Gaza or the military/militants.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Well, if that was the case, it's not really working out for Israel now, is it? Considering that more and more countries are recognising Palestine, etc. This comment is widespread on X or other social media as the n-th conspiracy theory that Israel has staged the attack etc. Crazy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

Doesn't prove anything, and it definitely doesn't prove he gave Hamas weapons so they would be victims of a terror attack.

Hell, we in the West have given Gaza (and indirectly, we knew it would go to Hamas) so much money. Did we support terrorism? How did we know that they would use our money to buy weapons to murder people in Israel instead of building good things?

For me this is more showing an utter incompetence both from Nethanyau and our Western leaders who totally didn't see how they outsmarted us for years. Why do you think our leaders can control everything and know everything? They can make mistakes out of incompetence.

I guess this strategy sometimes works in other countries, and sometimes they screw you :)

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Because it doesn't move the situation any closer to liberation of their people and their homeland. They have been willing to constantly fight, and constantly keep getting killed by an enemy with overwhelming advantages, for their cause for two years now. Why would you assume that being able to escape with their lives is suddenly more important to them?

I mean, it moves the situation closer to not living in war and famine? Also the idea of amnesty to all Hamas members looks pretty generous to me - Nazis didn't enjoy the same privilege

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Definitions matter. It's possible for an organization to redefine "acutely malnourished" as less than 4000 Cal/day, and then use that to make an accusation. Is that reasonable? No, because that does not match reality. It's unreasonable to criticize pushback on changing definitions because definitions should be pushed toward reality.

As you say definitions matter - so let's not invent hypothetical scenarios to dismiss points. Israel was not arguing about the definition of 'acute malnourished'. The threshold for famine is 15%. The IPC said it had just hit 16% and was thus a famine. Israel was arguing that other data showed it was only 12.2-13.5% and therefore not a famine. When you get to the point of arguing "only 12% of the children are starving…

> When you get to the point of arguing "only 12% of the children are starving, not 16%" you probably shouldn't bother

Devil's advocate: we grow enough food to feed every human. What we lack is the logistics. War disrupts logistics. Food insecurity rising is thus, unfortunately, an expected (and probably unmitigatable) consequence of war.

That's why we have to define a line, based on history and capability, that sets what's a tolerable amount of starvation. And what is not.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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The reason for that is apparently that you can use baby formula to make rocket candy. Because apparently extracting the lactose from 40kg baby formula is all it takes to make a quassam rocket. If you can get your hand om 20kg of oxidiser that is. It is all more than ridiculous. Edit: and Nick Maynard is a national treasure.

Same for water. I've heard they could electrolyze drinking water into hydrogen and oxygen. Then they could explode the hydrogen using the oxygen as an oxidizer. Only solution is to cut off all wells and water supplies.

https://www.dhmo.org/

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Ah, let’s try your logic the opposite way around: if hamas and the middle east is so hostile, why do Israeli’s not move to some flyover state. What do you think? You are shockingly uninformed. All major human rights organizations are saying the exact same thing: Israel is actively committing a genocide.

> All major human rights organizations are saying the exact same thing: Israel is actively committing a genocide

Your argument loses credibility when you overstep like this.

Human rights organisations (and credible third parties) agree that Gaza is in famine. The term genocide is not universally applied, though it is increasingly and increasingly credibly, albeit at the expense of the clarity of the term.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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The division is not about the starvation of Gaza. All Zionist parties in the Israeli parliament support the military campaign in Gaza. Apart from some lip-service from left-wing leaders, to my knowledge no Jewish leader has spoken against the starvation. Israeli media (except for Haaretz) have largely denied that there is a famine, and have called it a "propaganda campaign" by the Hamas.

Some Orthodox Jews are very active against it, on very sound religious grounds.

They're a very tiny minority, and unfortunately they also get harrassed by Zionist Israelis

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Israel blocks the entry of Plumpy Nut into Gaza, a peanut-butter like paste meant for treating severe acute malnutrition. They say it is a luxury item Hamas might steal.[1] The amount of evidence Israel is committing genocide is embarrassing. [1] https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/1971582137947295831

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Maybe you missed it but Hamas are terrorists, they don't care that much. Hamas mistake was believing that Israel would care more about civilians, turns out they care much less. And Israel is supposedly this western democracy.
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