In 1942, Jewish doctors conducted the Warsaw Ghetto Hunger Study used the man made famine to study the physiological and psychological effects of hunger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Hunger_Study
Not all scientific studies need to be replicated.
How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized
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Probably because Israel violated the ceasefire earlier this year (that was a sham from the beginning) that lasted from January to March. The first phase of the ceasefire saw an exchange of hostages, but then the Israelis refused to move on to the second phase and broke the ceasefire by bombing Gaza in the middle of the night, killing over 400 Palestinians in one day, including over 200 children. [0] Not to mention th…
> Probably because Israel violated the ceasefire earlier this year (that was a sham from the beginning) that lasted from January to March. The first phase of the ceasefire saw an exchange of hostages, but then the Israelis refused to move on to the second phase and broke the ceasefire by bombing Gaza in the middle of the night, killing over 400 Palestinians in one day, including over 200 children.
Israel has been rather consistent that a permanent ceasefire will only happen when Hamas effectively surrenders and gives up power. Hamas had also refused to continue releasing hostages which effectively ended the ceasefire(as the terms of the second phase were never finalized).
> Not to mention the fact that Israel just killed a top Hamas negotiator in Doha, Qatar only a few weeks ago. [1] How can you negotiate with someone who just killed your negotiator?
I suppose when attempting to negotiate the surrender of Hamas if the negotiators refuse to surrender after having clearly lost a war they started then eliminating the current negotiators may result in their replacements being more likely to capitulate. That seemed to work out with Hezbollah at least.
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#283There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale. For that alone they should, at the very least, be an outcast in the international community. But here we are.
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#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're posting the same comment, each time linking to a source on WWII, but never linking to evidence of Israeli's policy or confirmation from any third-party attesting to it.
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1500 calories per day is not, by any measure we now know of, an adequate number of calories. The fact that 80 years ago we thought it was does not have any moral value in discussions about Israel's actions today.
A third-party source attesting to the validity of Israel's claims regarding the nearly the 4400-calories-per-person-per-day they're letting into Gaza would at least be something in a discussion of their actions.
But yes, that source would obviously be viewed somewhat skeptically given the level of starvation we see in Gaza.
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#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
The man speaking is Ayman Odeh [1], an Arab Israeli MK and chairman of Hadash, a left-wing Arab Israeli party. Arab Israelis and their political leaders are marginalized in Israeli society. Arab Israeli parties are largely considered illegitimate by a majority of Jewish Israelis. Political opposition to the starvation of Gaza is still marginal, especially in Jewish society. Protests in Arab cities against the starvat…
Just to be fair, Israel itself is considered illegitimate by those parties. I doubt most democracies would let parties that are staunchly anti-state run, but Israel, for some reason, does.
They are not parties considering Israel illegitimate nor are they calling for the destruction of Israel. They are parties calling for a two-state solution, and consider the globally-recognized-as-illegal settlements as illegitimate i.e. they call the ever expanding borders of Israel as illegitimate.
If you were to make them illegal, you're basically legally disenfranchising 25% of Israel's population.
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#287"Israel accused the IPC of lowering the second threshold of acutely malnourished children for a famine declaration, which the IPC has denied." Damn, Israel is really arguing about how much child starvation they are allowed to inflict before it becomes egregious? That might be another one of those "are we the baddies?" moments right there.
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> Yet Israel is the baddies and America/the Allies are sited as doing the correct thing even though they had equal or less food going in.
If Israel institutes a Marshall Plan equivalent that rebuilds Gaza/West Bank to the NEMA equivalent of West Germany and Japan, then maybe decades from now their actions will receive the same deference that the historical actions of the Allies have now.
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#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
The man speaking is Ayman Odeh [1], an Arab Israeli MK and chairman of Hadash, a left-wing Arab Israeli party. Arab Israelis and their political leaders are marginalized in Israeli society. Arab Israeli parties are largely considered illegitimate by a majority of Jewish Israelis. Political opposition to the starvation of Gaza is still marginal, especially in Jewish society. Protests in Arab cities against the starvat…
Just to be fair, Israel itself is considered illegitimate by those parties. I doubt most democracies would let parties that are staunchly anti-state run, but Israel, for some reason, does.
Canada has a federal party since 1991, the Bloc Québécois, "devoted to Quebecois nationalism, social democracy, and the promotion of Quebecois sovereignty."[0] They're explicitly separatist by policy. Quebec's last attempt at attaining sovereignty was a provincial referendum in 1995 that lost by 0.5%. Had it succeeded, the provincial gov't was prepared to declare full independence the next day.
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#290It's wild to me how many people here use the "it's war, bad things happen" to justify the situation. Weird that it needs to be said, but this is why war crimes are a thing. Just because it's an armed conflict, doesn't mean anything goes.