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Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by Twirrim »

maccard wrote: post #37
throwaw12 wrote: post #13

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for 5 million? I am willing to pay 0.01$ out of my pocket to not comply with some regulations in my country. I can even pay annually

Yes, for 5 million. It’s an intentional slap on the wrist because they don’t actually want to fine them, they just want them to change their behaviour. The general MO of European courts is to get people to comply, not to punish non compliance. There’s a subtle difference. If Meta change their tact in the next two weeks then they got what they wanted. If they don’t, fine increases and they’ll escalate responses.

Failure to comply will also increasingly prejudice later legal cases and judgments down the road.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by em-bee »

quotemstr wrote: post #53
delbronski wrote: post #50

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As a European, I much prefer technological stagnation over technological progress that is harmful to society.

Civilizations that think this way get conquered by ones that don't, and afterwards, nobody much cares what they thought.

we are being conquered by google and facebook already. them leaving would be the exact opposite.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by askonomm »

quotemstr wrote: post #49

This is over the "most recent" mode? Absolutely moronic decision. It punishes companies for giving users any choice at all.

Punishes companies for not respecting people's settings. It's as if I chose to keep my chat history private in the settings, but they would ignore that and share all my chats with the world. Same problem. I find it odd you can't see how it's damaging to the consumers if you're offering them a choice that you then completely disregard.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by snoman »

inetknght wrote: post #51
Aurornis wrote: post #42

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> We need to be able to message our friends without seeing a feed without having to convert all of our friends to a new platform. Those people are in the app because of the social features and the feed in the first place. The messaging features were built on top of the platform. Requiring companies to make and maintain a separate app entirely if their product has messaging features is an unreasonable requirement. If…

> Those people are in the app because of the social features and the feed in the first place. Well, I suppose that's one take on it. I would argue that people are in the app because Facebook gave out Facebook Messenger. Then Facebook changed how Facebook Messenger works. You could call it a rugpull, I would call it US business practices.

This idea that if you change your app in a way that some people don’t like, then the government legislate your features for you, is just mind boggling to me.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by randomtoast »

inetknght wrote: post #47
mglazebrook wrote: post #39

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I doubt they will meet the deadline or care over 5mill. It just is pennies to them.

The thing about ignoring courts' orders is... well, courts don't exactly look favorably on people who ignore them. Looking forward to court's round 2, then.

Yes, but it buys you some time. Also, Meta could appeal it.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by em-bee »

thahajemni wrote: post #44
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #12

As a European, I’m glad that the influence of big, potentially dangerous companies is being kept in check. From the start of October, Meta is completely switching off political ads and now I can look forward to my feed stopping with tabloids, politics and Russian propaganda and going back to technical curiosities and capybaras.

I, as a European, am worried that these rulings, regulations, and the prevailing mindset will lead to companies leaving and result in technological stagnation, due to our inability to compete with global markets. Of course, there is something to be said about the dangers, effectiveness, and societal impact of social media. But companies should have the right to decide how they conduct their business. They should also…

companies leaving [will] result in technological stagnation, due to our inability to compete with global markets

on the contrary, companies leaving will allow and force us to develop european alternatives that can actually compete in europe. they don't need to compete on the global market.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by darkmighty »

quotemstr wrote: post #53
delbronski wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a European, I much prefer technological stagnation over technological progress that is harmful to society.

Civilizations that think this way get conquered by ones that don't, and afterwards, nobody much cares what they thought.

This seems like a bit of an empty moral panic/slippery slope appeal. As a general rule, it could go either way: civilizations can also collapse from not-enough-regulation, not-enough-rule of law, oligarchic capture, or even just become a megacorporation dystopia without collapsing for a long time, maybe ever. Better to critique the specific case, if you have any objections.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by kllrnohj »

quotemstr wrote: post #49

This is over the "most recent" mode? Absolutely moronic decision. It punishes companies for giving users any choice at all.

The law requires that they provide a non-profiled choice. Facebook wasn't punished for providing the choice, that was required. They were punished for not respecting that requirement, overriding the user's choice whenever they thought they could get away with it.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

55555 wrote: post #20

Please for the love of god make it a legal requirement that messaging must be made available as a separate app without addictive feeds. Or make it such that users can disable the feed in settings. We need to be able to message our friends without seeing a feed without having to convert all of our friends to a new platform.

Why not just use SMS messages? No feeds, literally all phones support them, with MMS you also get photos and stuff... you don't need another party involved for the messages to work, and you're already paying for them.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by Workaccount2 »

delbronski wrote: post #50
thahajemni wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, as a European, am worried that these rulings, regulations, and the prevailing mindset will lead to companies leaving and result in technological stagnation, due to our inability to compete with global markets. Of course, there is something to be said about the dangers, effectiveness, and societal impact of social media. But companies should have the right to decide how they conduct their business. They should also…

As a European, I much prefer technological stagnation over technological progress that is harmful to society.

Europe has this delusion that they can keep living their magically relaxed life, and continue to both fund it and stay relevant on the world stage.

FYI, the big players today are the US and China. Nobody has the heart to call and tell Europeans that they aren't really part of the future, they're still away on their 8th week long holiday of the year.

Not staying economically relevant is far (far) more harmful to society than forgoing social media.

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