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Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by inetknght »

Aurornis wrote: post #42
55555 wrote: post #20

Please for the love of god make it a legal requirement that messaging must be made available as a separate app without addictive feeds. Or make it such that users can disable the feed in settings. We need to be able to message our friends without seeing a feed without having to convert all of our friends to a new platform.

> We need to be able to message our friends without seeing a feed without having to convert all of our friends to a new platform. Those people are in the app because of the social features and the feed in the first place. The messaging features were built on top of the platform. Requiring companies to make and maintain a separate app entirely if their product has messaging features is an unreasonable requirement. If…

> Those people are in the app because of the social features and the feed in the first place.

Well, I suppose that's one take on it.

I would argue that people are in the app because Facebook gave out Facebook Messenger. Then Facebook changed how Facebook Messenger works. You could call it a rugpull, I would call it US business practices.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by ecb_penguin »

55555 wrote: post #20

Please for the love of god make it a legal requirement that messaging must be made available as a separate app without addictive feeds. Or make it such that users can disable the feed in settings. We need to be able to message our friends without seeing a feed without having to convert all of our friends to a new platform.

> Please for the love of god make it a legal requirement that messaging must be made available as a separate app

Please for the love of god do not make legal requirements about how to build an app and what features can be included.

> We need to be able to message our friends without seeing a feed without having to convert all of our friends to a new platform.

lol, you have no legal right to how a chat dialog must be presented.

Why don't you try innovating instead of suing?

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by quotemstr »

delbronski wrote: post #50
thahajemni wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, as a European, am worried that these rulings, regulations, and the prevailing mindset will lead to companies leaving and result in technological stagnation, due to our inability to compete with global markets. Of course, there is something to be said about the dangers, effectiveness, and societal impact of social media. But companies should have the right to decide how they conduct their business. They should also…

As a European, I much prefer technological stagnation over technological progress that is harmful to society.

Civilizations that think this way get conquered by ones that don't, and afterwards, nobody much cares what they thought.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

#54

Post by ecb_penguin »

inetknght wrote: post #51
Aurornis wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We need to be able to message our friends without seeing a feed without having to convert all of our friends to a new platform. Those people are in the app because of the social features and the feed in the first place. The messaging features were built on top of the platform. Requiring companies to make and maintain a separate app entirely if their product has messaging features is an unreasonable requirement. If…

> Those people are in the app because of the social features and the feed in the first place. Well, I suppose that's one take on it. I would argue that people are in the app because Facebook gave out Facebook Messenger. Then Facebook changed how Facebook Messenger works. You could call it a rugpull, I would call it US business practices.

> Well, I suppose that's one take on it.

It's the correct take. Facebook had 800M users on the day Messenger was released.

> I would argue that people are in the app because Facebook gave out Facebook Messenger

Why would you argue a nonsense point? Literally all you have to do is Google "when was messenger released" and "number of facebook users in August 2011"

Unless you think those 800M users were just waiting for a shitty messenger?

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by ecb_penguin »

bitpush wrote: post #43
55555 wrote: post #20

Please for the love of god make it a legal requirement that messaging must be made available as a separate app without addictive feeds. Or make it such that users can disable the feed in settings. We need to be able to message our friends without seeing a feed without having to convert all of our friends to a new platform.

I don't know why you want a government agency to dictate product strategy.

It's the European way

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by ecb_penguin »

delbronski wrote: post #50
thahajemni wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, as a European, am worried that these rulings, regulations, and the prevailing mindset will lead to companies leaving and result in technological stagnation, due to our inability to compete with global markets. Of course, there is something to be said about the dangers, effectiveness, and societal impact of social media. But companies should have the right to decide how they conduct their business. They should also…

As a European, I much prefer technological stagnation over technological progress that is harmful to society.

"As a European, I much prefer technological stagnation over bundled messenger apps"

Fixed it for you.

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

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Post by [deleted] »

quotemstr wrote: post #53
delbronski wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a European, I much prefer technological stagnation over technological progress that is harmful to society.

Civilizations that think this way get conquered by ones that don't, and afterwards, nobody much cares what they thought.

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Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

#59

Post by skrebbel »

quotemstr wrote: post #53
delbronski wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a European, I much prefer technological stagnation over technological progress that is harmful to society.

Civilizations that think this way get conquered by ones that don't, and afterwards, nobody much cares what they thought.

You think the US is going to invade Europe and enforce a techno-capitalist oligarchy on it?

Re: NL Judge: Meta must respect user's choice of recommendation system

#60

Post by alkonaut »

ecb_penguin wrote: post #52
55555 wrote: post #20

Please for the love of god make it a legal requirement that messaging must be made available as a separate app without addictive feeds. Or make it such that users can disable the feed in settings. We need to be able to message our friends without seeing a feed without having to convert all of our friends to a new platform.

> Please for the love of god make it a legal requirement that messaging must be made available as a separate app Please for the love of god do not make legal requirements about how to build an app and what features can be included. > We need to be able to message our friends without seeing a feed without having to convert all of our friends to a new platform. lol, you have no legal right to how a chat dialog must be…

That would be the sensible idea in a free market. But that ship sailed LONG ago. Now there are apps and "markets" that are so important and dominating (Amazon, Facebook, ...) that the only alternatives are basically to split them, control them or regulate them in detail. The problem isn't lack of "innovation".

Anyone can make any social app work the way they want to. But that doesn't mean the same rules and laws applies - or should apply - to one with 1B users as one with 100 users.

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