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Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP

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Re: Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP

#191

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I have my own domain and just do @mydomain.com and redirect everything to the same inbox sorted in folders. Works pretty well, if any of those addresses gets into some spam list I just block it (hasn't happened yet, though)

Catch-all (*) setup is the best, until a spammer hits a gibberish localpart (on purpose) and your domain cheerfully accepts it. Don't get me wrong, I use catch-all too (don't tell spammers).

I whitelist using regular expressions (specific prefixes mostly). Gibberish and random localparts are unlikely to match those, it effectively never happens.

Re: Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP

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post #185

Yeah. Gmail is an anti-pattern. I was paying $10/month for workplace and a couple days ago they froze my account because I was accessing it via IMAP. Fortunately, I own the domain so I pointed it at amazon. I pretty much only use google apps to share docs I've written elsewhere, so I didn't really lose too much when I lost access to apps. It would be much cooler if there were a human I could talk to to find out what…

> they froze my account because I was accessing it via IMAP Stop being misleading, this is your assumption. And while I agree that Google support generally sucks, you can actually contact real humans as a workspace customer easily.

Raises hand for another n=1 that I'm currently going through. My point being, it doesn't matter than you can get hold of someone because the bureaucracy is kafkaesque.

WTF has happened to Google?

We're a supplier being onboarded. We've been in on-boarding hell for about 2 months now.

We've completed the job and are still being passed around teams in order to get paid.

As an aside, one of the scourges of modern business is Ariba. Google use Ariba along with many other large organisations and it SUCKS.

It feels like using Ariba forces big companies to map their bureaucracy around its structure rather than the other way around ... which means people getting bounced from team to team while different queries are raised and some random person somewhere raises another query, etc etc ... and even the internal staff struggle to make things happen.

Whatever happens, it feels like the bureaucratic structure and use of Ariba has imprisoned staff at Google. They can't get beyond their own system now.

The process was a real eye-opener as to what goes on when a firm becomes huge.

In my experience, once a company implements Ariba, it's over and they're just cash-cowing it.

The savings they make in automation are costs passed on to the consumer or supplier in the hassle factor of getting things done. I want to say "Never again", but that's not entirely my choice.

/rant

Re: Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP

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post #185

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> they froze my account because I was accessing it via IMAP Stop being misleading, this is your assumption. And while I agree that Google support generally sucks, you can actually contact real humans as a workspace customer easily.

I don't know why you are downvoted or the parent is upvoted. Clearly the GP is not telling the details and it is highly doubtful that they freeze the workspace account ever without good reason. Unlike standard account, freezing worspace admin account for this definitely means huge customer loss.

Not really if they only ever do it for small, personal workspaces.

Re: Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP

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post #185

Yeah. Gmail is an anti-pattern. I was paying $10/month for workplace and a couple days ago they froze my account because I was accessing it via IMAP. Fortunately, I own the domain so I pointed it at amazon. I pretty much only use google apps to share docs I've written elsewhere, so I didn't really lose too much when I lost access to apps. It would be much cooler if there were a human I could talk to to find out what…

> they froze my account because I was accessing it via IMAP Stop being misleading, this is your assumption. And while I agree that Google support generally sucks, you can actually contact real humans as a workspace customer easily.

I wonder why people come to conclusion like that to that specific problem.

surely the user may knows that there is probably zillions (by that i mean a lot) of users using gmail via IMAP (at least the enterprise accounts) don't you think it's maybe something else you are doing that flags your account

Re: Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP

#195

Learned from this post that Gmail web had POP! Now I'll be mourning loss of a feature I never even used.

I've been using it for many years, super simple way to have many email addresses deliver to a single gmail. The effort I'll spend migrating will be better spent setting up a non-Google alternative

Re: Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP

#196

RIP to my OG Gmail account that I forgot the password to but still have POP access to via the Gmail web client.

Wonder if it's possible to change the POP server without changing the credentials... You could set up your own sniffer server to retrieve the password that Gmail sends to you.

I'm in the same boat, and unfortunately, no

Re: Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP

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post #185

Yeah. Gmail is an anti-pattern. I was paying $10/month for workplace and a couple days ago they froze my account because I was accessing it via IMAP. Fortunately, I own the domain so I pointed it at amazon. I pretty much only use google apps to share docs I've written elsewhere, so I didn't really lose too much when I lost access to apps. It would be much cooler if there were a human I could talk to to find out what…

> they froze my account because I was accessing it via IMAP Stop being misleading, this is your assumption. And while I agree that Google support generally sucks, you can actually contact real humans as a workspace customer easily.

>> you can actually contact real humans as a workspace customer easily.

This is only relative to the experience when you're a free google account user. Compared to alternatives like Fastmail contacting support - and actually getting a successful resolution - is still very difficult. I finally switched our org after many years when Google announced yet another price increase (nominally for things I don't want or need) and I really wish we'd gone sooner.

Re: Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP

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FUCK THIS. This is disgusting.

I've been using Thunderbird for 10 years as the way I normally download my gmail. I have no interest in using IMAP, I store everything locally.

I suppose the idea is that they can make more money if you don't delete after you download your mail, then you have to pay them for storage?! Is that what this is about??

Because there have to be a small handful of people in the world still using POP to access gmail. Feels fucking personal.

Re: Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP

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> Nobody deserves even a modicum of privacy. Let's make it 0 friction to inspect what they're doing at all times. Features cut both ways. Am I respectful of my work equipment? Yes. Would it be net good for my boss to automatically get a report of everything on my screen everyday, not particularly. So could we not have the largest platforms make it even easier than it already is to be creepy AF?

It ideally doesn't need to be a privacy-invading thing, but rather a way for administrators troubleshoot issues a bit easier without having to get on a screensharing call. I think maybe what makes it difficult is that Gmail might be used as the key to authenticate into other accounts (like for shadow IT). And in the ideal case, even this action that a Google Workspace administrator logged in as someone else would be…

It's funny how many assume impersonation is all about privacy, when it's really about empathy: letting you see the situation through the eyes of the person you're trying to help, instead of just responding I don't have that problem in my setup or when using a god account.

Re: Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP

#200
And a few months ago, they did, literaly, block noscript/basic (x)html browsers for their dominant search engine (right before that they were white-listing a few of those browsers).

Gogol has been on the super evil guys side for a while. The US admin has been trying to "anti-trust" them for years, without any results to make them behave: because its need to have a technical part. With enforced, minimal, simple and good enough to do the job technical protocols/file formats. Usually, a small subset of what it is already running IRL would be defined as those protocols/file formats. For the web, that would be noscript/basic (x)html (remember when most of the web was running perfectly fine with basic html forms?)

All that to allow alternative small implementations to be real-life alternatives.

I could buy on amazon with lynx browser hardly a few years back, now I cannot (well I have not tried in a while), the agenda of the devil is followed perfectly.

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