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Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by conradkay » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 3:30 AM UTC

typpilol wrote: post #99

Rendello wrote: post #67

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I was fascinated by Koko's abilities and took them at face value until I saw her famous climate change speech: > I am gorilla. I am flowers, animals. I am nature. Man Koko love. Earth Koko love. But Man stupid. Stupid! Koko sorry. Koko cry. Time hurry! Fix Earth! Help Earth! Hurry! Protect Earth. Nature see you. Thank you. I saw that and felt like I was in crazy land. That's supposedly the kind of talking Koko's been…

There's a lot of evidence to suggest most of her research was fraudulent

I wonder how much of it was just a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans situation

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by jgtor » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 3:58 AM UTC

jrflowers wrote: post #121

My favorite thing of hers was her documentation of the Gombe Chimpanzee War. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War

Been lucky enough to visit that park and it's a fantastic place. Take a walking tour and see the chimp groups up close.

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by jibal » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 4:37 AM UTC

nntwozz wrote: post #69

boxerab wrote: post #63

“We cannot hide away from human population growth, because it underlies so many of the other problems. All these things we talk about wouldn’t be a problem if the world was the size of the population that there was 500 years ago.” -- Goodall at 2002 WEF panel discussion on Amazon rainforest The population 500 years ago was around 500 million. The only way we return to this level is de-industrialization. Paul Ehrlich…

Yeah I've seen this before, we could all drive V12s and eat only beef but it's not a very meaningful insight. We're going to stabilize around 10 billion by 2080 according to projections and then decline, hopefully reaching some kind of Star Trek utopia at some point. We came from the caves, we didn't know any better we just multiplied like a cancer. More population also brings more benefits, more geniuses more invent…

Whatever subset of projections you're looking at seems to leave out any that take global warming into account.

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by jibal » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 4:40 AM UTC

michaelhoney wrote: post #128

dingnuts wrote: post #70

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to advocate for the death of 8 billion people is a hell of a stance. there's pro genocide and then there's... I guess this is just hating the whole species.

to straw-man what someone says and then get indignant is a waste of your emotional budget

And that's a charitable evaluation.

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by jibal » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 4:42 AM UTC

jmdeon wrote: post #113

Rendello wrote: post #67

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I was fascinated by Koko's abilities and took them at face value until I saw her famous climate change speech: > I am gorilla. I am flowers, animals. I am nature. Man Koko love. Earth Koko love. But Man stupid. Stupid! Koko sorry. Koko cry. Time hurry! Fix Earth! Help Earth! Hurry! Protect Earth. Nature see you. Thank you. I saw that and felt like I was in crazy land. That's supposedly the kind of talking Koko's been…

From the Snopes: > Some viewers took the video a little too literally, however, and were surprised at Koko's pithy and timely exhortation to heed the perils of global warming. But nothing about the video indicates that Koko can actually entertain, much less communicate to humans, thoughts about environmentalism. Personally I never took it literally. I saw the video and knew right away it was just a marketing stunt, b…

misled

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by sahaj » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 4:45 AM UTC

jimbokun wrote: post #75

aethrum wrote: post #57

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crazy how you can just be this alive one year and then dead the next. I get 91 is old, but still

That is truly a gift, to be able to be that active until almost the end of your life.

Life well earned!

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by jibal » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 4:51 AM UTC

foolserrandboy wrote: post #122

I thought she already died a few years ago I must’ve jumped universes again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory#Mandela_effect

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by baxtr » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 5:18 AM UTC

inglor_cz wrote: post #39

baxtr wrote: post #33

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Maybe asking annoying questions?

Maybe :) To elaborate, there seems to be a difference between physical curiosity and intellectual curiosity. Many mammals, especially when young, are very curious about their environment, peeking, sniffing, burrowing in the ground etc. So are human children. But the ability to ask more abstract questions "why do the stars shine?" does seem to be limited to humans alone, and maybe not even all humans. And it is very u…

Yes, that’s interesting.

I guess it’s mainly related to the fact that we have a different kind of consciousness than other mammals. Maybe that’s tautological? Maybe asking questions about stars defines our consciousness?

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by FilosofumRex » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 5:25 AM UTC

Jane Goodall and the late E.O. Willson were two great treasures of humanity. They 're leaders of a generation of scientists and public intellectuals who transcendent politics and remained faithful to the motto of great citizens - lead by example.

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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Post by rnoorda » Thu, Oct 02, 2025, 5:35 AM UTC

Several years ago my niece dressed up as Jane Goodall for Halloween. Through a string of random connections, someone sent Jane a picture of her. She wrote my niece an incredibly nice note complimenting the costume and all its details.

For all the good Jane Goodall has done in the world, I am forever grateful that she cared enough to give a young girl a gift she can treasure forever.