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Jane Goodall has died

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Re: Jane Goodall has died

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If you find Jane Goodall inspirational, you may be delighted to learn about Anne Innis Dagg [0], whose studies of wild giraffe predates Goodall's study of chimps. The documentary "The Woman Who Loves Giraffes" [1] is fantastic and has 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. The reason you might not know Dagg's name is essentially that she was denied tenure for being a woman. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Innis_Dagg [1] htt…

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No, but it is a way people can get financial security to be able to spend time on more public-facing efforts

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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I think she advocating for fewer births. The 8 billion deaths would eventually happen by themselves, most of them of old age.

The thing is that if you depopulate by reducing the birth rate, you end up in a situation where you have a whole lot of old people and very few young people, which cannot be sustained.

It doesn't need to be sustained, the whole point is that eventually when the next generation ages up, the number of old people won't be as high.

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“We cannot hide away from human population growth, because it underlies so many of the other problems. All these things we talk about wouldn’t be a problem if the world was the size of the population that there was 500 years ago.” -- Goodall at 2002 WEF panel discussion on Amazon rainforest The population 500 years ago was around 500 million. The only way we return to this level is de-industrialization. Paul Ehrlich…

Yeah I've seen this before, we could all drive V12s and eat only beef but it's not a very meaningful insight. We're going to stabilize around 10 billion by 2080 according to projections and then decline, hopefully reaching some kind of Star Trek utopia at some point. We came from the caves, we didn't know any better we just multiplied like a cancer. More population also brings more benefits, more geniuses more invent…

> We're going to stabilize around 10 billion by 2080 according to projections and then decline, hopefully reaching some kind of Star Trek utopia at some point.

10 billion is gonna be the high end by the looks of things, and that decline is going to be hardly conducive to utopia. The math of dependency ratios is inescapably painful.

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Frodo also impregnated his own mother https://blog.michael-lawrence-wilson.com/2014/01/19/frodo-30...

How did they not put him down after he killed an infant? That's crazy

They were going to, but ultimately he was just exhibiting natural behavior and unfortunately the person broke the rules - only 12+ year olds were supposed to enter the park

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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“We cannot hide away from human population growth, because it underlies so many of the other problems. All these things we talk about wouldn’t be a problem if the world was the size of the population that there was 500 years ago.” -- Goodall at 2002 WEF panel discussion on Amazon rainforest The population 500 years ago was around 500 million. The only way we return to this level is de-industrialization. Paul Ehrlich…

to advocate for the death of 8 billion people is a hell of a stance. there's pro genocide and then there's... I guess this is just hating the whole species.

to straw-man what someone says and then get indignant is a waste of your emotional budget

Re: Jane Goodall has died

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If you find Jane Goodall inspirational, you may be delighted to learn about Anne Innis Dagg [0], whose studies of wild giraffe predates Goodall's study of chimps. The documentary "The Woman Who Loves Giraffes" [1] is fantastic and has 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. The reason you might not know Dagg's name is essentially that she was denied tenure for being a woman. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Innis_Dagg [1] htt…

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That’s correct, but being forced out of academia is a good way for scientists to disappear from research and publication.

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> hopefully reaching some kind of Star Trek utopia at some point it is so dangerous and naive to think that utopia is possible, even if we all could agree that Star Trek is one, which we shall not, because I certainly do not think its depiction of watered down "luxury space communism with military ranks" is a desirable society.

The world/utopia as described in Star Trek is a world where there is no poverty and free electricity. You describe Starfleet. Obviously, the series do contain elitism. Joining Starfleet is seen as prestigious. And even on Earth there are slums during the time of the federation. So the “Utopia” is not complete. And Starfleet is necessary to protect the utopia from outside influences. It is largely based on the premise…

Thank you Mr. Spockz.
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