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Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by rowanG077 »

GeekyBear wrote: post #274
rowanG077 wrote: post #268

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No. I am under the impression that there is no replacement on the horizon that could take on the challenge of further optimizing the GPU driver and work on M3/M4/M5 GPU support once upstreaming efforts have settled down.

Alyssa wasn't doing the GPU driver work. Marcan already provided the tools needed to capture the data being passed back and forth between MacOS and the GPU, so you can see exactly what the newer versions of the SOC are doing that is different.

I think you are confused. There are two drivers here. The kernel space driver mostly developed by lina. And the user space driver developed by Alyssa. Both are drivers. And of the two the user space driver is an order of magnitude more complex.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by dwaite »

justinator wrote: post #44
doctoboggan wrote: post #29

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> The rumors about an upcoming touchscreen Mac are interesting What rumors have you seen? Anytime I've seen speculation, Apple execs seem to shut that idea down. Is there more evidence this is happening? If anything, Apple's recent moves to "macify" iPadOS indicate their strategy is to tempt people over into the locked down ecosystem, rather than bring the (more) open macOS to the iPad.

Chances that there are both a folding iPhone and a Touchscreen Mac somewhere in the skunk works of Cupertino are 100%. The Apple Vision Pro was a far more extreme product and was kept pretty well under wraps. (tho a market failure).

The line for market success for a first generation, $3500 VR headset is drawn in different places for different people.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by dangus »

dontdoxxme wrote: post #248
pylotlight wrote: post #241

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I dunno, working with M1 daily I struggle with resource contention and slow py/js builds. I'd love something faster when work provides me with updated device.

Sounds like you need to spend some time optimising your build. Faster hardware just makes developers lazy. I'm still on an M1 and it's fine, although I do have 32GB.

To be fair, for all you know they’re building something pretty crazy that justifies high resource consumption.

Faster hardware doesn’t exclusively make developers lazy, it also opens up capability.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by dangus »

cromka wrote: post #66
AlphaAndOmega0 wrote: post #16

I own an M4 iPad Pro and can't figure out what to do with even a fraction of the horsepower, given iPadOS's limitations. The rumors about an upcoming touchscreen Mac are interesting, perhaps Apple will deign to make their ridiculously overpowered SOCs usable for general purpose computing. A man can dream..

Since Apple actually makes a significant amount of money selling hardware itself, I really wonder why they actually wouldn't allow people to install Linux on it, with a full support. After all, it's not like this would jeopardize macOS/iPadOS AppStore earnings — Linux users would simply buy into Apple Hardware they haven't even considered before, and only a fraction of macOS/iPadOS users would switch to using Linux.

Last I checked, Apple makes more revenue on services than on Mac and iPad combined. With higher profit margins.

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Post by dangus »

jsheard wrote: post #77
AlphaAndOmega0 wrote: post #16

I own an M4 iPad Pro and can't figure out what to do with even a fraction of the horsepower, given iPadOS's limitations. The rumors about an upcoming touchscreen Mac are interesting, perhaps Apple will deign to make their ridiculously overpowered SOCs usable for general purpose computing. A man can dream..

It'll get even weirder if the rumoured MacBook Lite with an iPhone processor ends up happening. Incredibly powerful tablets constrained by a dumbed down operating system, sold right next to much weaker laptops running a full fat desktop environment.

Is that really rumored? Sounds like kind of a weak rumor to me. The MacBook Air already exists.

Apple already makes low cost versions of those, which are the previous models that they continue to manufacture.

Re: Leaked Apple M5 9 core Geekbench scores

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Post by dangus »

jchw wrote: post #33
reaperducer wrote: post #18

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I own an M4 iPad Pro and can't figure out what to do with even a fraction of the horsepower, given iPadOS's limitations. It's a nice problem to have, since for most of computing history it's been the other way around. (Meaning the hardware was the constraint, not the OS.)

I disagree. For a lot of the personal computing era, the problems with OSes and hardware were mostly a matter of technical progress. The problem with iPadOS is totally different; it's a problem that was basically manufactured in and of itself, and completely artificial at that. I do not think this is a good problem to have at all.

I don’t think you’re representing the state of iPad accurately.

In iPadOS 26, more extensive multi-window multitasking like Mac was added.

The quantity of windows you can keep open at once depends on your iPad’s SoC.

If you have a newer Pro iPad with more memory you can keep more of them open and slow down happens further down the rabbit hole.

The hardware is being pushed and used.

As another example, the iPad has pretty intensive legitimate professional content creation apps now (Logic Pro, Final Cut Pro, and others).

So there are people out there pushing the hardware, although I’ll join those who will say that it’s not for me specifically.

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

vient wrote: post #273
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #125

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Windows doesn't do it any favors, for sure. Running Linux with with every tweak under the sun for better life still leaves a large gap between x86 laptops and MacBooks, however, and while there's probably some low hanging optimization to be taken advantage of there I think the real problem is that x86 CPUs just can't idle as low as M-series can, which is exacerbated by the CPU not being able to finish up its work and…

I wonder if Windows and Linux just can't yet work on heterogeneous CPUs as well as macOS does. Intel chose an interesting direction here, going straight from one to three kinds of cores in one chip. I almost never see LPE cores being used on Windows, and on Linux you have obscure soft like Intel LPMD which I tried but was not able to notice any battery life improvements.

I'm a bit out of my depths here, but I believe a significant contributing factor is how early Apple made multi-CPU Macs available, with the earliest being the summer 2000 revision of PowerMac G4 tower (dual 500Mhz PPC G4s), pre-dating the release of OS X. They made it easier for devs to take advantage of those cores in OS X, because this yielded performance boosts that were difficult to match in the x86 world, which was still heavily single-CPU.

Because the OS and apps running on it were already taking advantage of multithreading, making them efficiency core friendly was easy since devs only had to mark already-encapsulated tasks as eligible for running on efficiency cores, so adoption was quick and deep.

Meanwhile on Windows there are still piles of programs that have yet to enter the Core 2 Duo era, let alone advance any further.

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Post by dangus »

criddell wrote: post #123
jyap wrote: post #109

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Regarding market share and your friends and family recommendations, you’re thinking first world. Rest of the world wants and can only afford sub-$500 laptops.

I’ve found that the $1000 Mac laptop is worth about $500 after 3 years and the $500 laptop is worth $50. The price difference over time really isn’t that big and the Mac is going to have a better trackpad and display and longer battery life.

That just means that the not-Mac is way more accessible. The high resale value makes Macs more expensive overall for everybody.

Also a lot of people prefer windows. It’s got a lot more applications than Mac. It has way more historical enterprise support and management capability as well. If you had a Mac at a big company 20 years ago the IT tooling was trash compared to windows. It’s probably still inferior to this day.

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Post by dmitrygr »

kwanbix wrote: post #154
Zak wrote: post #140

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It does not appear to me that Macs are closed in the sense that iOS is. It is possible, at least to install Linux on Apple silicon Macs. There are certainly many more options on the PC side, but it's not because Apple actively blocks users from running another OS.

As far as I understand, the only Linux you can install on an M CPU is Asahi linux. Apple is not doing anything actively, but is also doing nothing to help linux be ported.

You have no idea how much work everyone inside the kernel and iBoot teams at Apple put into making it possible to run Linux on those MacBooks!

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Post by jsheard »

dangus wrote: post #285
jsheard wrote: post #77

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It'll get even weirder if the rumoured MacBook Lite with an iPhone processor ends up happening. Incredibly powerful tablets constrained by a dumbed down operating system, sold right next to much weaker laptops running a full fat desktop environment.

Is that really rumored? Sounds like kind of a weak rumor to me. The MacBook Air already exists. Apple already makes low cost versions of those, which are the previous models that they continue to manufacture.

https://www.macrumors.com/2025/06/30/new-macbook-with-a18-ch...

Apparently there are references to it in macOS already.

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