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What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by trelane »

bravura wrote: post #219
jen729w wrote: post #11

I get it, but the alternative is what? Get model release forms from anyone in a public space every time you turn your video camera on? Who's to say how much of you I have in the shot? Do you feature? Did you flash by? Are you blurred? Recognisable? I was shooting video of a car park exit last year. (I was trying to prove to the shopping centre owners that it was dangerous.) Mundane footage. Some lady drives out in he…

As an American living in Europe, I have seen Europe do "no cameras by default" quite successfully.

No private cameras (maybe)

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Post by xxs »

Larrikin wrote: post #152
Gigachad wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m Gen Z and I get how someone could be annoyed by this, but it’s also just part of life. I get annoyed when people smoke in public or pointlessly honk horns at night. But you have to accept that being around other people means some people do things you aren’t a fan of.

Smoking in public has been banned in a number of large cities around the world and so has honking your horn when there is no threat to life.

>number of large cities

States usually, most of EU/Europe is banned (but not everywhere).

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by posterguy »

worth looking into Camera Lucida by roland barthes, sontag's on photography and for something more recent, bernard stiegler's writings on cameras as technics if interested in some of the headier aspects of what cameras and photography do to culture and human relationships (as opposed to, say, legal implications). i tend to agree with the author: the presence of cameras in community spaces have completely ruined my relationship to those spaces. ive seen people here call the author a karen which, maybe, but the last time i went to a small DIY rock show in my community there were more people taking pictures than there were watching the show. what value is it if everyone films and uploads a set from a local band on youtube? what is the point?

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Post by hk__2 »

randomtoast wrote: post #223

> Publishing someone’s photo online, without their consent, without another strong justification, just because they happen to be in view of one’s camera lens, feels wrong to me We are getting monitored all the time, we are in an age where cameras are omnipresent. Everyone carries one in their pocket in the form of a smartphone, and countless stationary cameras are installed throughout cities. When you walk through st…

> In many cases, people can request this footage through FOIA and use it as they wish, including uploading it to platforms like YouTube.

Please don’t assume the world is limited to the US. In Europe you cannot do that.

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

greenavocado wrote: post #217
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People were pissed once they figured out that private conversations were uploading love to the internet. Audio is different from video. This is technically illegal, as consent is explicitly required in the law for audio recording.

Most states in the United States allow one one-party consent for audio recordings.

They're not party to others' conversations.

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Post by latexr »

Gigachad wrote: post #51
eterm wrote: post #29

I wonder if it's a generational or cultural difference present in the comments here. I am sympathetic to the author, and I also find video a bit invasive of privacy in a way that photos aren't. I therefore find the (obviously common) attitude that videos are just "something you need to accept" quite alien, but I wonder how much of that attitude is just comments coming from a younger generation that have grown up with…

I’m Gen Z and I get how someone could be annoyed by this, but it’s also just part of life. I get annoyed when people smoke in public or pointlessly honk horns at night. But you have to accept that being around other people means some people do things you aren’t a fan of.

> but it’s also just part of life.

It’s not, and your two examples are perfect proof of it.

Indoor smoking bans have been implemented in several countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans

https://health.ec.europa.eu/tobacco/smoke-free-environments_...

Countries applying the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic only allow honking in two specific situations. In addition, it’s culturally dependent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_horn#Regulation

https://e.vnexpress.net/news/perspectives/readers-views/the-...

Don’t assume something is an immutable part of life just because it was in place when you were already born. Change can and does happen.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by zmgsabst »

crazygringo wrote: post #170
zmgsabst wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you should be fined for posting pictures of people publicly without their consent. None of those things require you to invade their privacy and enjoyment of public space — you’re just negatively impacting them because you’re lazy and antisocial. Fines are how we handle such nuisances in other cases.

Nothing requires you to get upset about showing up in the background of someone's photo either. As far as I can tell, you're the one being antisocial because you're trying to make demands on what people do with their photos just because you happened to be in the frame. And it's not like they're trying to sell the photos or anything. And fines aren't some kind of innocent thing. If you don't pay the fines, the police…

You’re the one trying to include people in your photos without their consent.

Everyone should be allowed to enjoy public spaces without you imposing on them for your activities — and that includes you taking photos.

Nothing about their desire not to be photographed requires that you not take photographs — just that if you do, without their permission and with identifiable features showing, you’ll have to take a few seconds to blur that before you upload it publicly.

Yes — that’s absolutely an antisocial imposition on their enjoyment.

And yes — you should be fined for doing that.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by Applejinx »

eterm wrote: post #29

I wonder if it's a generational or cultural difference present in the comments here. I am sympathetic to the author, and I also find video a bit invasive of privacy in a way that photos aren't. I therefore find the (obviously common) attitude that videos are just "something you need to accept" quite alien, but I wonder how much of that attitude is just comments coming from a younger generation that have grown up with…

I'm a youtuber to support my programming project, and I see many people in my situation being a lot more shy about doing that. It's a lot of work to do it properly and takes dedicated attention to not have your parasocial community turn sour or vicious on you: it's no joke.

I wonder how much of this is people expecting that ANY media presence will throw them into the troubles people experience when they have all the media presence. I know if I blow up big enough (not much of a threat right now) that someone will come to hurt me, no matter how I am. That's not about me, it's about statistics. If I blew up that big I could probably afford security…

I think some people assume you'll be confronted with that sort of problem right away just by appearing on youtube etc. Sure you will… eventually. Or if you're staggeringly unlucky.

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