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What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

haskellshill wrote: post #73
tietjens wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this argument is logically flawed. When you say public means not private you are glossing over the fact that public never before meant "available via digital media to the world." Instead it mean a public which had a localized context. Doesn't mean you are wrong, but you're paving over this obvious fact.

But what practical difference does it have that it's "available via digital media to the world."? Are you just opposed to people not in your physical location seeing you? Why?

I'm not a fan of my out-of-the-home activities all being stored in an online database accessible to billions of people and automatically scanned by several different governments (including a list of foreign countries extensive enough to include at least one you wish it didn't, regardless of who you are) to build a profile of every person, from hobbies to schedule to gait recognition to psychographic profile.

But of course, that ship has sailed in much of the world, with the ubiquity of surveillance and the dearth of opposition.

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Post by threetonesun »

jen729w wrote: post #11

I get it, but the alternative is what? Get model release forms from anyone in a public space every time you turn your video camera on? Who's to say how much of you I have in the shot? Do you feature? Did you flash by? Are you blurred? Recognisable? I was shooting video of a car park exit last year. (I was trying to prove to the shopping centre owners that it was dangerous.) Mundane footage. Some lady drives out in he…

If I see someone filming me while driving I usually give them the finger. I suppose that's my consent for them to do whatever with it. I don't foolishly believe they can't do it, but I do suggest maybe they shouldn't.

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Post by randomtoast »

> Publishing someone’s photo online, without their consent, without another strong justification, just because they happen to be in view of one’s camera lens, feels wrong to me

We are getting monitored all the time, we are in an age where cameras are omnipresent. Everyone carries one in their pocket in the form of a smartphone, and countless stationary cameras are installed throughout cities.

When you walk through streets, buildings, and especially public facilities, you can see cameras almost everywhere. While it is often said that these devices exist only for security purposes and that footage is routinely deleted, this is no longer the reality. In many cases, people can request this footage through FOIA and use it as they wish, including uploading it to platforms like YouTube.

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Post by sandblast »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #183
sandblast wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I implied it was, but would you mind sharing examples?

Italy, Spain, Portugal, Poland, Czechia etc etc.

What exactly doesn't work like that in the countries you mentioned?

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Post by sandblast »

balderdash wrote: post #54

I think the laws around this are fairly antiquated. People should clearly have the right to photograph in public, however, I strongly believe that should someone take someone else’s photograph they shouldn’t need their consent to post the photo publicly or monetize it in anyway. Obviously, there should be some limited car outs like public servants in the commission of their duties, legitimate news organizations, use…

I think you meant "they should need their consent to post", right?

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Post by carlosjobim »

squigz wrote: post #141
gms7777 wrote: post #108

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I’m currently wedding planning and regularly visit a wedding planning forum. I was left flabbergasted the other day when someone posted if it would be ok to ask guests to not post pictures of the couple on social media. They’re ok with guests posting pictures of themselves or of the venue and decor, they just don’t really want pictures of the bride and groom. The response ranged from “you can ask but you can’t preven…

If someone asks you not to record them at their own event , and you do, you're an asshole.

A wedding is one of the most fundamentally public events that have ever existed. The purpose is so that as many people as possible should know that these people are taken.

Asking guests to not take photos is such a faux pass that the couple has destroyed their reputation completely.

They can have a quiet and private ceremony instead if they have stage fright.

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Post by zmgsabst »

crazygringo wrote: post #182
zmgsabst wrote: post #135

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Why shouldn’t they be fined for invading someone else’s privacy because they’re too lazy to touch up the photos on their phone? — why should their laziness negatively impact others use of public space? You’re just making an argument for inconveniencing others out of laziness — but trying to dress it up in principles.

Because it's a right to be lazy. And thank goodness it is. You can inconvenience other people in a thousand different ways every day. And should be allowed to. The idea that laziness or inconvenience ought to be outlawed... do you realize what you're saying? The kind of police state you're envisioning? This is a principled thing. What's next, I get fined for walking slowly on the sidewalk? For holding up the line at…

We have numerous laws that ban those things in shared public spaces:

- littering

- jaywalking

- excessive noise

Etc.

And we impose fines for all of those — under the consistent logic that you can’t infringe on others use of public space with your own.

I’m glad that you can admit this is not about your usage of public spaces though — it’s just about you wanting to be a nuisance to others without consequence.

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Post by RajT88 »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #214
RajT88 wrote: post #160

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Agree. I went to a family gathering recently, and my wife's cousin was walking around live streaming. People were pissed once they figured out that private conversations were uploading live to the internet. The same guy did similar when his mom was on her death bed. Jesus Christ.

> People were pissed once they figured out that private conversations were uploading love to the internet. Audio is different from video. This is technically illegal, as consent is explicitly required in the law for audio recording.

Eve if legal, the guy was in the wrong.

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Post by randomtoast »

dandellion wrote: post #177
jen729w wrote: post #11

I get it, but the alternative is what? Get model release forms from anyone in a public space every time you turn your video camera on? Who's to say how much of you I have in the shot? Do you feature? Did you flash by? Are you blurred? Recognisable? I was shooting video of a car park exit last year. (I was trying to prove to the shopping centre owners that it was dangerous.) Mundane footage. Some lady drives out in he…

Here in Spain if you don't get explicit consent you can get sued for publishing the video (it's fine if you only showed it to the shop owner and didn't publish it), but if someone tells you explicitly they don't want to be recorded you have to stop and delete the video (I assume if you refuse they can just call the police, but I've never seen it happen).

Well, the first step is not being sued and taken to court, but receiving a cease-and-desist letter. But for that to happen, the person that has been videoed needs to be aware of that his face is on YouTube, which in most cases you won't even notice unless it's a video with a very high click count.
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