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Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by musicale »

kllrnohj wrote: post #173
Narishma wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed Raspberry Pi posts here always attract tons of negative comments, regardless of what the article is about.

I think that's a combination of things: 1) The company "sold out". That is, in times of limited supply they prioritized fulfilling large compute module orders instead of the hobbyist market that initially supported them. To be fair if I was running that company I'd have done the exact same thing, it's obviously the right financial choice. Just, you know, it'll sting for the market that was shunned. 2) They got expens…

These are good explanations. Their reputation as a platform for learning and tinkering was damaged, and subsequent missteps didn't improve the situation.

The Pi500+ does seem like a good system, but it's not alone at that price point, and people may still remember being told that they weren't the company's priority.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by [deleted] »

chrismorgan wrote: post #10

> The ultimate all-in-one PC I object to this labelling: the term “all-in-one PC” has always been used to mean a computer integrated into a screen , to which you must add a keyboard and mouse (or more likely it will be bundled with a low-quality keyboard and mouse). But this is a computer integrated into a (good) keyboard , to which you must add a screen and mouse—and screens are more expensive than keyboards. Even a…

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Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by musicale »

geerlingguy wrote: post #14
chrismorgan wrote: post #10

> The ultimate all-in-one PC I object to this labelling: the term “all-in-one PC” has always been used to mean a computer integrated into a screen , to which you must add a keyboard and mouse (or more likely it will be bundled with a low-quality keyboard and mouse). But this is a computer integrated into a (good) keyboard , to which you must add a screen and mouse—and screens are more expensive than keyboards. Even a…

Yeah; the marketing language around new Pi products is always a bit flowery... besides this misnomer calling it 'AIO', the marketing also says "uncompromising performance" and "premium desktop computer", which I'd argue are quite a stretch, unless you're comparing it to SBCs and not... desktop computers!

I'd prefer more honest marketing:

- ARM system that fits inside a decent compact keyboard

- acceptable performance for basic computing tasks

- mostly as usable as a mini PC running Linux

- 5-10 years of software support

- easy access to GPIO pins

etc.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by boneitis »

bigiain wrote: post #158
zamalek wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that many companies have been appending + to the end of product names for an extremely long time. This is hardly an Apple innovation.

Next you're gonna try and tell me that Apple didn't invent the mobile phone. Or the portable MP3 player. Or the windowing GUI.

No, but they did invent rounded corners :^)

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by OCTAGRAM »

arkensaw wrote: post #249
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This made me do some research and I'd say it appears so. https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-500-and-raspbe... > Our experiences with that programme informed the development of Raspberry Pi 400, our all-in-one PC, whose form factor (and name) harks back to the great 8-bit and 16-bit computers – the BBC Micro, Sinclair Spectrum, and Commodore Amiga – of the 1980s and 1990s. (emphasis mine) So the 400 name is…

I guess its Pi 1200 next then?

Apollo A6000

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by OCTAGRAM »

florianist wrote: post #54

So many comments are very negative here. I'm currently using a Pi 4 as my home desktop computer and I will probably replace it with a Pi 500+. I really want to avoid a pre-installed Windows, want my computer to be 100% silent, low energy, and I fancy the computer-is-in-keyboard feel. Sure, I might get a mini PC for a bit cheaper but I like to support Raspberry Pi. The products are easy to get into, have great and las…

Computer-is-in-keyboard is a good idea if keyboard is right. But this all-white dull stuff is no match for IBM Model M style of contrast keyboards full of sense. SUBOR SB97 is what I think of as good computer-is-in-keyboard looks. They just cloned IBM Model M. Just clone IBM Model M and you are fine

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by OCTAGRAM »

Narishma wrote: post #145
florianist wrote: post #54

So many comments are very negative here. I'm currently using a Pi 4 as my home desktop computer and I will probably replace it with a Pi 500+. I really want to avoid a pre-installed Windows, want my computer to be 100% silent, low energy, and I fancy the computer-is-in-keyboard feel. Sure, I might get a mini PC for a bit cheaper but I like to support Raspberry Pi. The products are easy to get into, have great and las…

I've noticed Raspberry Pi posts here always attract tons of negative comments, regardless of what the article is about.

As a desktop candidate role I would say that there is a pain of bones broken in the past. I have System Shock (1) for DOS and for MacOS. DOS version was playable in NTVDM for long, especially in 32-bit XP with VDMSound. MacOS version was, to be precise, Mac OS Classic version for Motorola CPU. And Mac OS switched CPU from Motorola to PowerPC. They had emulator bundled, but only for one switch. Soon after Motorola-to-PowerPC switch they did PowerPC-to-Intel switch. And Intel Mac OS did run PowerPC applications, but did not run Motorola applications. So I have managed to unpack StuffIt archives with System Shock for Mac OS, but never managed to run it. Actually, Intel transition was not momentarily. There was Intel x86 Mac OS and Intel x86-64 Mac OS. 10.4 Tiger could possibly run something 64-bit, but not GUI apparently. Later Mac OS introduced nice Objective-C 2.0 features as 64-bit only. Mac OS 10.6 was the last one to have Rosetta for PowerPC, and I hear complaints that it was a loss. Some games were left in PowerPC era, and "Mavericks forever" movement (10.8, the last skeuomorphic Mac OS) reports they regret not having access to PowerPC. And as you may now, modern Mac OS went to ARM. Each time there is a leap to another architecture, bones break. Legacy do not work anymore, and companies want us to move on, but we don't want to. Our broken bones hurt.

There is an ongoing problem with ARM being proprietary architecture. Our trained bones predict future pain. Again! When will be the end to this sufferring? If we are to adopt open RISC-V 64 in the end, let's just do it now and not get used to anything ARM.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by OCTAGRAM »

egypturnash wrote: post #140
LiamPowell wrote: post #22

All the marketing for this advertises it as a desktop computer. What's the appeal of this compared to a cheaper and more powerful N150 NUC, or a used mini PC if it's for personal use where you just need one? A N150 has about twice the CPU performance, hardware video decoding that isn't crippled, and much more software built for its architecture among other things.

Give it to your kid. Plug it into the family TV. Let them learn to hack while you're around to answer questions. Just like when you were a baby hacker in the eighties. Less software is good - it makes kludging up your own more appealing, and there's a guide to getting started with that right there in the manual. (Or you could try plugging a goggle-mounted display into it and using it as your personal cyberdeck .)

Hacking into some platform makes very tied to it. I still recall how to program smooth scrolling in EGA/VGA. It becomes an explored world, and is ARM good for being tied to? ARM has an ongoing problem of being proprietary, and RISC-V is to come as a solution. If ARM is neither past nor future, then we should not getting tied to it.

Maybe get ITX-Llama and let parent and kid be tied to all the same platform? Have something common to discuss, something common to play. And MiniMig or Apollo A600 may do the trick. CheckMate Retro IPS display. It is past, but great past. Alive in our souls.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by justinclift »

ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #204
visarga wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you plug it into one of your old monitors. We all have them laying around.

Ever since I had my own source of income, I've only bought laptops and I do not possess any monitor (old or new) at home. Writing this, I just realized that even at work, we only have a single monitor. And it's stored on a shelf not even plugged.

> even at work, we only have a single monitor. And it's stored on a shelf not even plugged.

Sounds like a suitable candidate for one of these then? :)

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Post by teknico »

florianist wrote: post #54

So many comments are very negative here. I'm currently using a Pi 4 as my home desktop computer and I will probably replace it with a Pi 500+. I really want to avoid a pre-installed Windows, want my computer to be 100% silent, low energy, and I fancy the computer-is-in-keyboard feel. Sure, I might get a mini PC for a bit cheaper but I like to support Raspberry Pi. The products are easy to get into, have great and las…

> 100% silent

Careful, the mechanical keys are of the clicky-clacky kind.

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