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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by leobuskin »

tummler wrote: post #41
raincole wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All you said is very reasonable. But then you look at image gen. The established one, namely Adobe, are surprisingly not winning the AI race. Then you look at code gen. The established IDEs are doing even worse. I don't rule out the possibility of music being truly special, but the idea of "established tools can just easily integrate AI right" isn't universally true.

The innovator's dilemma is real. IMO none of the big DAWs are well-positioned to capitalize on AI, but that doesn't mean they couldn't. I'd argue music generation is different from image or code generation. It's closer to being purely art. Take image generation for example. Most of the disruption is coming from competition with graphic design, marketing, creative/production processes, etc. The art world isn't up in a…

It does mean. The switch from writing “applicable” software to creating cutting edge AI is almost impossible. The parent comment makes great examples, we can add to that list JetBrains (amazing IDEs, zero ability to catch up with ML), for example. It’s a very different fast-paced scientific driven domain.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by tummler »

zubzubi wrote: post #50
tummler wrote: post #19

Suno is moving toward becoming a browser-based DAW that happens to use AI. There are already more capable and established DAWs, and I see no reason they can't implement AI into their workflows-- in a more precise manner, where it's actually useful, instead of wholesale as a gimmick. Many are already doing this. So I don't understand where Suno is going with any of this. It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can pr…

Yes I'm already doing this manually with Reason. I'll compose something that's quite bare bones, export the audio and run it through Suno, asking it to cover and improvise with a specific style, then when I have something I like, I split that into stems, import some or all of these to Reason and then reconstruct and enhance the sound using instruments in Reason, mostly by replaying the parts I like on keyboard and tw…

This is similar to what I do. There are all kinds of useful ways to incorporate AI into the music production process. It should be treated like a collaborative partner, or any other tool/plugin.

It shouldn't be a magic button that does everything for you, removing the human element. A human consciously making decisions with intent, informed by life experience, to share a particular perspective, is what makes art art.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by cdrini »

jsheard wrote: post #43
cdrini wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unclear to me whether it will result in more homogeneity, as a result of prompts being a coarse medium that results in the AI choosing what it's seen to fill in the rest, or less homogeneity, as a result of more people with non-mainstream tastes being able to create music aligned with their niche that otherwise wouldn't exist due time/money restrictions. I think the latter seems a bit more likely, but time will…

There's not really any need to speculate when this has already played out in other mediums - would you say that the proliferation of LLMs has led to an explosion of novel and interesting works of fiction, or just an explosion of cookie-cutter slop ebooks?

I would say too soon to tell. There has been an uptick in ebook slop, but I'm not sure if it's impacted the homogeneity of literature, because I don't think anyone is reading ai ebooks. It's not enough for it to exist to impact culture, it has to be being consumed.

Music is a uniquely interesting case, since music has a much lower barrier of entry to consume.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by architectonic »

patapong wrote: post #8
80hd wrote: post #5

I wasn't expecting to, but I got chills listening to some Suno creations from artists who are clearly very talented at using this new medium. Much like those of us hammering away at LLMs who eventually get incredible results through persistence, people are doing the same with these other AI tools, creating in an entirely new way. I'm sure Suno are working hard on this and these AI tools can only come together as fast…

That sounds really interesting. Would you mind sharing some examples of such creations?

I enjoy this AI generated album https://open.spotify.com/album/6C6PJzxkHctvk1ibKM2zMx?si=YgL...

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by polishdude20 »

input_sh wrote: post #49
meowface wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they do add VST support I could see them becoming a legitimate player. Without it it's definitely just a toy.

They're never gonna let you upload and run your own executable files to their infrastructure. That + latency with MIDI devices is why every DAW-in-a-browser is just a toy.

You can get a vst to run locally and still work with the browser.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by tbeseda »

jjangkke wrote: post #10

What's special about Suno 5 is that the songs are actually good to listen to in place of professionally produced songs. For example, my favorite genre is new jack swing and there is a very limited number of this genre as it was briefly popular during the 90s. Now I have an endless supply of it and you can't tell that its AI produced anymore. Sure to an expert they might be able to detect it but for consumers its just…

> as a consumer I could care less if you put your soul and years into producing art vs the one I can get a lot of today

a quantity over quality argument with regard to art is wild.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by recursive »

lomase wrote: post #27
recursive wrote: post #3

I'm really curious how the traditional DAW features stack up against the incumbents. A good DAW has a ton of features. Developing a whole DAW from scratch just to add a "generate part" button sounds like a lot.

The people using Sunno AI don't care about writing or mixing music. They don't need the same feature list.

The video seems to be trying to convince me that this is totally targeted at actual musicians. But I guess maybe that's how their target users imagine themselves?

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by zubzubi »

smt88 wrote: post #21
jjangkke wrote: post #10

What's special about Suno 5 is that the songs are actually good to listen to in place of professionally produced songs. For example, my favorite genre is new jack swing and there is a very limited number of this genre as it was briefly popular during the 90s. Now I have an endless supply of it and you can't tell that its AI produced anymore. Sure to an expert they might be able to detect it but for consumers its just…

I've had some fun with Suno 5, but the songs absolutely don't replace well-made human music. They're much more formulaic and over-produced. They're usually forgettable. People I play them for can always tell they're AI produced.

I find it depends how you generate it. Asking Suno to make covers of uploaded recordings tends to give much, much better results than asking it to cook a song from scratch. There are still quite a few tells that it's AI-made but it's not bad at all, at least in my experience so far.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by recursive »

input_sh wrote: post #49
meowface wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they do add VST support I could see them becoming a legitimate player. Without it it's definitely just a toy.

They're never gonna let you upload and run your own executable files to their infrastructure. That + latency with MIDI devices is why every DAW-in-a-browser is just a toy.

Didn't realize this was in a browser. That tells me all I need to know.
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