I'm an interventional radiologist with a master's in computer science. People outside radiology don't get why AI hasn't taken over. Can AI read diagnostic images better than a radiologist? Almost certainly the answer is (or will be) yes. Will radiologists be replaced? Almost certainly the answer is no. Why not? Medical risk. Unless the law changes, a radiologist will have to sign off on each imaging report. So say yo…
Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
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Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is essentially what's happened with airliners. Planes can land themselves with zero human intervention in all kinds of weather conditions and operating environments. In fact, there was a documentary where the plane landed so precisely that you could hear the tires hitting the center lane marker as it landed and then taxied. Yet we STILL have pilots as a "last line of defense" in case something goes wrong.
No - planes cannot "land themselves with zero human intervention" (...). A CAT III autoland on commercial airliners requires a ton of manual setting of systems and certificated aircraft and runways in order to "land themselves" [0][1]. I'm not fully up to speed on the Autonomi / Garmin Autoland implementation found today on Cirrus and other aircraft -- but it's not for "everyday" use for landings. [0] https://pilotin…
So I'm not sure what "planes can land on their own" gets us anyway even if autopilot on modern airliners can do an awful lot on their own (including following flight plans in ways that are more advanced than before).
The Garmin Autoland basically announces "my pilot is incapacitated and the plane is going to land itself at " without asking for landing clearance (which is very cool in and of itself but nowhere near what anyone would consider autonomous).
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TIBeso4abU (among other things, but this video is arguably the most fun one)
Edit: and yes maybe the "pilots are basically superfluous now" misconception is a pet peeve for me (and I'm guessing parent as well)
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#403I'm an interventional radiologist with a master's in computer science. People outside radiology don't get why AI hasn't taken over. Can AI read diagnostic images better than a radiologist? Almost certainly the answer is (or will be) yes. Will radiologists be replaced? Almost certainly the answer is no. Why not? Medical risk. Unless the law changes, a radiologist will have to sign off on each imaging report. So say yo…
What about the patient that doesn't want to pay $6,000 to go from 99.9% accuracy to 99.95% accuracy?
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#404Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Waymo has what? 700 cars on the road ... They have over 2000 on the road and are growing: https://techcrunch.com/2025/08/31/techcrunch-mobility-a-new-... Of course there's 200M+ personal vehicles registered in the US.
Operating in carefully selected urban locations with no severe weather. They are nowhere close to general purpose FSD.
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is like saying that self-driving cars won't ever become a thing because someone behind the wheel needs to be to blame. The article cites AI systems that the FDA already has cleared to operate without a physicians' validation.
> This is like saying that self-driving cars won't ever become a thing because someone behind the wheel needs to be to blame. Which is literally the case so far. No manufacturer has shown any willingness to take on the liability of self driving at any scale to date. Waymo has what? 700 cars on the road with the finances and lawyers of Google backing it. Let me know when the bean counters sign off on fleets in the mil…
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#406I'm an interventional radiologist with a master's in computer science. People outside radiology don't get why AI hasn't taken over. Can AI read diagnostic images better than a radiologist? Almost certainly the answer is (or will be) yes. Will radiologists be replaced? Almost certainly the answer is no. Why not? Medical risk. Unless the law changes, a radiologist will have to sign off on each imaging report. So say yo…
What about the patient that doesn't want to pay $6,000 to go from 99.9% accuracy to 99.95% accuracy?
You can take a 4k photo of anything, change one pixel to pure white and a human wouldn't be able to find this pixel by looking at the picture with their eyes. A machine on the other hand would be able to do it immediately and effortlessly.
Machine vision is literally superhuman, For example Military camo can easily fool human eyes. But a machine can see through it clear as day. Because they can tell the difference between
Black Hex #000000 RGB 0, 0, 0 CMYK 0, 0, 0, 100
and
Jet Black Hex #343434 RGB 52, 52, 52 CMYK 0, 0, 0, 80
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#407Earlier quoted context omitted.
Operating in carefully selected urban locations with no severe weather. They are nowhere close to general purpose FSD.
Self driving cars in 2025 in USA is like Solar PV in China in 2010, it will take a while, but give them time to learn, adapt and expand.
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#408I don’t understand this. All data in existence is fodder for training. Barring the privacy issue which the article implies as orthogonal, training data and actual data are the same set of things.
Test conditions should be identical to real conditions. What in the world is the article saying. What actual differences are there?
The only issue I can think of is when there is LLM like language logic in looking at the results of a scan. Like for example the radiologist looks at 30 sections of the image and they all have different relationships with each other and those relationships end up influencing the outcome. But I doubt it’s like that, radiology should be much simpler than learning a foreign language.
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#409I'm an interventional radiologist with a master's in computer science. People outside radiology don't get why AI hasn't taken over. Can AI read diagnostic images better than a radiologist? Almost certainly the answer is (or will be) yes. Will radiologists be replaced? Almost certainly the answer is no. Why not? Medical risk. Unless the law changes, a radiologist will have to sign off on each imaging report. So say yo…
I'm a diagnostic radiologist with 20 years clinical experience, and I have been programming computers since 1979. I need to challenge one of your core assumptions. > Can AI read diagnostic images better than a radiologist? Almost certainly the answer is (or will be) yes. I'm sorry, but I disagree, and I think you are making a wild assumption here. I am up to date on the latest AI products in radiology, use several of…
Do you have any typical examples of this you could try to explain to us laymen, so we get a feel for what this looks like? I feel like it's hard for laymen to imagine how you could be seeing new things outside a pattern every day (or week}.
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#410I'm an interventional radiologist with a master's in computer science. People outside radiology don't get why AI hasn't taken over. Can AI read diagnostic images better than a radiologist? Almost certainly the answer is (or will be) yes. Will radiologists be replaced? Almost certainly the answer is no. Why not? Medical risk. Unless the law changes, a radiologist will have to sign off on each imaging report. So say yo…
What about the patient that doesn't want to pay $6,000 to go from 99.9% accuracy to 99.95% accuracy?
And it’s definitely not a 0.05 percent difference. AI will perform better by a long shot.
Two reasons for this.
1. The AI is trained on better data. If the radiologist makes a mistake that mistake is identified later and then the training data can be flagged.
2. No human indeterminism. AI doesn’t get stressed or tired. This alone even without 1. above will make AI beat humans.
Let’s say 1. was applied but that only applies for consistent mistakes that humans make. Consistent mistakes are eventually flagged and shows up as a pattern in training data and the AI can learn it even though humans themselves never actually notice the pattern. Humans just know that the radiologists opinion was wrong because a different outcome happened, we don’t even have to know why it was wrong and many times we can’t know… just flagging the data is enough for the AI to ingest the pattern.
Inconsistent mistakes comes from number 2. If humans make mistakes that are due to stress the training data reflecting those mistakes will be minuscule in size and also random without pattern. The average majority case of the training data will smooth these issues out and the model will remain consistent. Right? A marker that follows a certain pattern shows up 60 times in the data but one time it’s marked incorrectly because of human error… this will be smoothed out.
Overall it will be a statistical anomaly that defies intuition. Similar to how flying in planes is safer than driving. ML models in radiology and spam will beat humans.
I think we are under this delusion that all humans are better than ML but this is simply not true. You can thank LLMs for spreading this wrong intuition.