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It's not. I was trying to evoke a world where it's become so common place that you're a nuisance if you're one of those people who questions it.
Need to work on the comedic delivery in written form because you just came off as leaning on a stereotype
Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
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Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
Medicine does not work like traffic. There is no reason for a human to care whether the other car is being driven by a machine. Medicine is existential . The job of a doctor is not to look at data, give a diagnosis and leave. A crucial function of practicing doctors is communication and human interaction with their patients. When your life is on the line (and frankly, even if it isn't), you do not want to talk to an…
So, you need a moral support human? Like a big plushie, but more alive?
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#383I'm an interventional radiologist with a master's in computer science. People outside radiology don't get why AI hasn't taken over. Can AI read diagnostic images better than a radiologist? Almost certainly the answer is (or will be) yes. Will radiologists be replaced? Almost certainly the answer is no. Why not? Medical risk. Unless the law changes, a radiologist will have to sign off on each imaging report. So say yo…
This is like saying that self-driving cars won't ever become a thing because someone behind the wheel needs to be to blame. The article cites AI systems that the FDA already has cleared to operate without a physicians' validation.
Planes can land themselves with zero human intervention in all kinds of weather conditions and operating environments. In fact, there was a documentary where the plane landed so precisely that you could hear the tires hitting the center lane marker as it landed and then taxied.
Yet we STILL have pilots as a "last line of defense" in case something goes wrong.
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
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Not meaningfully. Beyond basics like a large tumor, a bone break, etc, there’s alot too it.
my pcp doesn’t even have the tools to view an mri even though part of a hospital system.
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
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Three things explain this. First, while models beat humans on benchmarks, the standardized tests designed to measure AI performance, they struggle to replicate this performance in hospital conditions. Most tools can only diagnose abnormalities that are common in training data, and models often don’t work as well outside of their test conditions. Second, attempts to give models more tasks have run into legal hurdles:…
Another key extract from the article > The performance of a tool can drop as much as 20 percentage points when it is tested out of sample, on data from other hospitals. In one study, a pneumonia detection model trained on chest X-rays from a single hospital performed substantially worse when tested at a different hospital. That screams of over fitting to the training data.
Of course SOTA models are much better, but getting medical data is quite difficult and expensive so there is not a lot of them.
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is like saying that self-driving cars won't ever become a thing because someone behind the wheel needs to be to blame. The article cites AI systems that the FDA already has cleared to operate without a physicians' validation.
This is essentially what's happened with airliners. Planes can land themselves with zero human intervention in all kinds of weather conditions and operating environments. In fact, there was a documentary where the plane landed so precisely that you could hear the tires hitting the center lane marker as it landed and then taxied. Yet we STILL have pilots as a "last line of defense" in case something goes wrong.
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is like saying that self-driving cars won't ever become a thing because someone behind the wheel needs to be to blame. The article cites AI systems that the FDA already has cleared to operate without a physicians' validation.
Medicine does not work like traffic. There is no reason for a human to care whether the other car is being driven by a machine. Medicine is existential . The job of a doctor is not to look at data, give a diagnosis and leave. A crucial function of practicing doctors is communication and human interaction with their patients. When your life is on the line (and frankly, even if it isn't), you do not want to talk to an…
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
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Yeah we don't need to compare robots to the best driver or human, just the average, for an improvement. However, like railroad safety is expensive heavily regulated, self driving car companies have the same issue. Decentralized driving decentralizes risk. so when I have my _own_ robot to do it, it'll be easy and cheap.
> Yeah we don't need to compare robots to the best driver or human, just the average, for an improvement. Sure, in theory. In practice, nobody is going to give up control on the basis that the machine is "slightly better than average". Those who consider the safety data when making their decision will demand a system that's just as good as the best human drivers in most aspects. And speaking of Waymo, let's not forge…
Yeah, I'm curious in seeing how they function in environments that get snow.
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#389I'm an interventional radiologist with a master's in computer science. People outside radiology don't get why AI hasn't taken over. Can AI read diagnostic images better than a radiologist? Almost certainly the answer is (or will be) yes. Will radiologists be replaced? Almost certainly the answer is no. Why not? Medical risk. Unless the law changes, a radiologist will have to sign off on each imaging report. So say yo…
Re: Demand for human radiologists is at an all-time high
#390I'm an interventional radiologist with a master's in computer science. People outside radiology don't get why AI hasn't taken over. Can AI read diagnostic images better than a radiologist? Almost certainly the answer is (or will be) yes. Will radiologists be replaced? Almost certainly the answer is no. Why not? Medical risk. Unless the law changes, a radiologist will have to sign off on each imaging report. So say yo…
This is like saying that self-driving cars won't ever become a thing because someone behind the wheel needs to be to blame. The article cites AI systems that the FDA already has cleared to operate without a physicians' validation.