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Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by KaiserPro »

I am in two minds on this.

1) I don't like centralised ID, its ripe for abuse.

2) I don't like the idea of crapita/accenture/G4S/some other dipshit company designing and running this.

However

if its an extension of the government gateway, then actually the only "innovation" here is the presumable fine for not keeping it up to date. (that and the smartphone integration, which I suspect is largely symbolic)

So long as its GDS rolling it out, and its properly designed (two big ifs) then in principle it could be a useful as the original GDS scheme to make government services "digital"

But, the problems of authoritarianism are not to be ignored. starmer doesn't have the bollocks to be a dictator, but jenrick and farage do. Our constitution has no guards against authoritarian capture, its just "good men" doing "good deeds". That was easily overridden with Boris. A decent majority in the House of commons gives you alomst unlimited power of the state.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by pjc50 »

tpxl wrote: post #213
jjgreen wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please give me your real name "celticninja", your phone number, your address, your NI number -- oh, and you'll need to install this app on your phone which I promise will never be used to monitor your location, purchases, friends. Then I'll explain.

> Could you please give me your real name "celticninja", your phone number, your address, your NI number The police can and will request this information from you, digital ID or not. If you have actual beef with digital ID, present it.

They can certainly ask, but at the moment can they jail you simply for not answering?

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by pjc50 »

celticninja wrote: post #229
gadders wrote: post #192

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Also, please authenticate with your digital ID before posting on social media.

That is not a requirement though. And if it came in I would be against it. So what is your point?

Yet. This slope looks very slippery in the year of the Online Safety Act.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by celticninja »

GJim wrote: post #193
celticninja wrote: post #177

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> What it will combat is illegal immigrants ability to work Utter rubbish. Do you seriously think those already paying cash-in-hand for delivery drivers, window cleaners, fruit pickers etc will give a toss about someone's lack of an ID card?

No but it makes prosecution easier..right now you can provide a copy of a document, which can be digitally altered, but the employer can say 'i accepted it in good faith' and they have done their due diligence. Having scanned a digital ID and for example that does not match the worker you have employed makes it harder to claim you did due diligence

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by rich_sasha »

anal_reactor wrote: post #141
TheChaplain wrote: post #129

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Uhm are you sure about those numbers? 0.8m is like on the average a whole county in the UK, and such massive influx would destroy the housing- and job market. Not to mention pressure on schools and healthcare.

The actual number is like half of that because while 800k people came, about 400k people left. I am an immigrant myself but I start to think that such policies are short-sighted. The end result is often fragmentation of the society, because immigrants rarely truly integrate, and at some point they become the majority, and then you're effectively a minority in your own country. It takes at least two generations for ne…

The migration numbers are net so I believe this is arrivals minus departures (or someone has a very weird definition of net).

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by pjc50 »

KaiserPro wrote: post #231

I am in two minds on this. 1) I don't like centralised ID, its ripe for abuse. 2) I don't like the idea of crapita/accenture/G4S/some other dipshit company designing and running this. However if its an extension of the government gateway, then actually the only "innovation" here is the presumable fine for not keeping it up to date. (that and the smartphone integration, which I suspect is largely symbolic) So long as…

Exactly, as I said in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45385512 it's a question of trust and purpose; I don't trust these people, the companies behind them, the public opinion they choose to pander to, and the stated purpose of immigration enforcement.

Something similar to Estonia would be much less controversial.

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by opless »

pjc50 wrote: post #210
opless wrote: post #205

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Not really. British governments have always been increasingly authoritarian. The stated reason is to stop illegals working. Unfortunately we have an ID for working, called a national insurance number. We literally can't get legally paid without it. So a National ID card ... Is irrelevant. You still need this number for benefits, etc. I've got an NI number, a driving license and a passport. Not to mention a NHS number…

NI is not ID for working. It's a tax identifier. The ID for working system is https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work , with its digital ID "share code" https://www.gov.uk/view-right-to-work (what does the digital ID scheme add to this again?)

Yes, and to be paid via PAYE you need a NI number.

The prove right to work is a slightly newer thing thats additional

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by pera »

I am quite confused by this point:

> A new digital ID scheme will help combat illegal working

If you are an immigrant you already have to prove your right to work with a share code:

https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work/get-a-share-code-onli...

And if you claim to be a citizen you must show a passport or birth certificate:

https://www.gov.uk/prove-right-to-work

So how exactly will this new digital ID help "stop those with no right to be here from being able to find work"?

Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

platipusiton wrote: post #173

What the hell is with these overly-draconian bills prioritizing control over individual rights being passed as of late?! The online safety act & now this. Our private right to anonymity & privacy has utterly gone out the window at this point...

Is it getting a little too obvious it’s coordinated?
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