We've seen this before and we'll probably see it again.
Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers
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Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and ICE sweeps Sorry old boy, but what have the *UK* Institute of Civil Engineers got to do with this?
Using the name of the US body to associate it with the immigration sweeps carried out in an abusive manner; the corresponding UK immigration raids are currently the responsibility of the Home Office.
Presumably they have their own British acronym and don’t need to borrow one from the US.
Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could you explain what it is you find so distasteful about ID cards? I mean if you have a passport then you already have an 'ID card', but I certainly don't want to take that out with me to prove my age.
> to prove my age If you want to prove your age, there are a host of *voluntary* forms of identity you can carry if you wish to do so. Please tell me how a new *compulsory* scheme (with privacy invading overreach) is going to help you.
I mean most pubs only allows passports and driving licenses. the latter has a compulsion to keep it updated.
Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers
#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What it will combat is illegal immigrants ability to work. No. That's a rubbish claim by the government. Employers must already check right to work and it is straightforward. Penalties are unlimited fines and jail, with penalties of 40k+ dished out on the first offence.
Most of the work done by illegal immigrants is for things like Deliveroo/Uber Eats, where an account is shared: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj615p5y5kko
Well, exactly. Deliveroo checks the right to work of the account owner and then that person shares it with others cash in hand.
QED.
Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers
#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the linked page: > In designing the digital ID scheme, the government will ensure that it works for those who aren’t able to use a smartphone, with inclusion at the heart of its design.
The technologically inept get QR codes tattooed on their foreheads.
It won't fit on my head next to my POOR IMPULSE CONTROL tattoo.
Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Stick them in processing centres until they can be deported. Send a clear message to anyone who might come that it won't work, you won't get in, we won't give you anything, don't risk your life or waste your money. Australia did exactly this (in the face of howling opposition) and it worked: illegal boat arrivals dropped from ~20,000 per year to almost zero. Thousands of people used to drown attempting the crossing,…
I'm genuinely wondering how harsh you'd be willing to be to get what you want. What would you do if an individual can't be deported because no country will accept them? Or if their country of origin is likely to kill or torture them? Or if no commercial carrier is willing to risk operating to that country? Would you be willing to deport unaccompanied children with no guarantee that they'd be cared for?
All the more reason for them to stay in France.
The humane option is still available. It’s not too late to take it. But if you keep refusing it, don’t complain when you get something else.
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could you please give me your real name "celticninja", your phone number, your address, your NI number -- oh, and you'll need to install this app on your phone which I promise will never be used to monitor your location, purchases, friends. Then I'll explain.
> Could you please give me your real name "celticninja", your phone number, your address, your NI number The police can and will request this information from you, digital ID or not. If you have actual beef with digital ID, present it.
No, police cannot.
The government is pushing Digital IDs on rubbish claims (obviously won't do anything about illegal immigration). Everyone can see that.
So what does this mean about their actual aims?
Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers
#228This is a plan so we shall see what happens... This is widely unpopular because the idea of ID cards is unpopular in general in the UK and the people also clearly understand that the argument that this would combat illegal immigration is total rubbish. Even the comments on The Guardian's website are overwhelmingly negative, which should really tell the government something. The proposal is also drastic because it wou…
Id cards are not unpopular with the general public. That's just what the daily mail wants you to think. https://bsky.app/profile/samfr.bsky.social/post/3lzq2w3ovgk2...
This is HN, it is unsurprising that you will find complaints of people who think governments are icky. You know, the usual libertarian bullshit.
I lived in countries that have mandatory unique IDs, and countries that don't. Typically the countries that do not are more a pain in the ass to deal with, because institutions will proxy to the next best thing in the absense of an actual ID, typically documents that are not mandatory and not supposed to be used as ID, but end up being used like that anyway.
Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could you please give me your real name "celticninja", your phone number, your address, your NI number -- oh, and you'll need to install this app on your phone which I promise will never be used to monitor your location, purchases, friends. Then I'll explain.
Also, please authenticate with your digital ID before posting on social media.
That is not a requirement though. And if it came in I would be against it. So what is your point?
Re: Britain to introduce compulsory digital ID for workers
#230> There will be no requirement for individuals to carry their ID or be asked to produce it - but digital ID will be mandatory as a means of proving your Right to Work. So it's mandatory for everyone except old people and the unemployed. It will almost certainly also be mandatory for renting, which has the same check. Then it will gradually seep into everything else: benefits and pensions, to cover the categories not…
This isn't the USA, ICE doesn't exist here. We have the border force, and they aren't allowed to cover their faces, yet. But to your point, its required to have some sort of ID for renting, job or voting _already_ the difference here is there is a digital version of it. The other thing is that driving licenses are also ID, that carry a £10k fine for not keeping your address up to date.
> its required to have some sort of ID for renting, job or voting _already_ the difference here is there is a digital version of it
It's strange how last time I campaigned against ID cards 25 years ago, none of those requirements were in place. Voter ID in particular is a very recent idea imported from the US (and of course doesn't apply to postal votes, where there are actually real concerns about security and diversion).