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Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Overpriced to the point that it becomes an artistic statement: “The buyer fell for it again”

That's unnecessarily negative. I'd argue it's not overpriced in the least. It's insanely pricey, of course, and that price tag comes with no real utility above and beyond what a more mundane mechanical keyboard would provide, but it's priced pretty fairly considering the costs involved.

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Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Or you just buy a below $200 laptop.

Below $200 laptops are way worse than what people imagine. Too many people look at ads, see something that looks like a laptop, and assume it's just a "no thrill" machine that mostly works. I've heard so many "how bad can it be?" hot takes as they've never used anything at that price. ※refurbished is another story, here we're talking about a new and under guarantee device so that wouldn't compare.

Lon Seidman just reviewed a $180 HP laptop from Walmart. Intel N150 processor, can run Linux and has upgradable RAM and storage:

https://youtu.be/FRNz-xakWB8

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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So many comments are very negative here. I'm currently using a Pi 4 as my home desktop computer and I will probably replace it with a Pi 500+. I really want to avoid a pre-installed Windows, want my computer to be 100% silent, low energy, and I fancy the computer-is-in-keyboard feel. Sure, I might get a mini PC for a bit cheaper but I like to support Raspberry Pi. The products are easy to get into, have great and las…

I've noticed Raspberry Pi posts here always attract tons of negative comments, regardless of what the article is about.

I think that's a combination of things:

1) The company "sold out". That is, in times of limited supply they prioritized fulfilling large compute module orders instead of the hobbyist market that initially supported them. To be fair if I was running that company I'd have done the exact same thing, it's obviously the right financial choice. Just, you know, it'll sting for the market that was shunned.

2) They got expensive. Especially for the Pi 4 which was still dreadfully slow. That slowness was excusable at $25. Not great but okay at $35. But when suddenly it was near enough to $100+ by the time you got all the required "accessories"? Or like the Pi 5 16gb is $132 like what on earth.

3) They got 'flaky'. It used to be the pi was the rock-solid option in the space. But now they keep making weird low-reliability decisions. Like the Pi 5 "expects" a rather uniquely high amp USB-C charger. 5A @ 5V is not a common USB-C charger feature. So whatever you happen to grab is probably not sufficient, and you'll have those annoying low power warnings randomly. They chose to have dual 4k HDMI ports and went with micro-HDMI. Which is a flaky connector you probably don't have cables for (and also dual 4K? on a pi?). They kept using microSD cards. The CPU power draw increased significantly, which for the performance delta is more than justified, except it still ships without any cooling.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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quite possible because it's from Europe, but remember that Apple was sticking + on the end of their model names 6 years before the Amiga existed.

I think that many companies have been appending + to the end of product names for an extremely long time. This is hardly an Apple innovation.

I think it actually was an Apple innovation, at least for {hobbyist, home, personal} computers. I did some digging and wasn't able to find anything before the Apple II+ in 1979. Please do prove me wrong, though!

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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> The ultimate all-in-one PC I object to this labelling: the term “all-in-one PC” has always been used to mean a computer integrated into a screen , to which you must add a keyboard and mouse (or more likely it will be bundled with a low-quality keyboard and mouse). But this is a computer integrated into a (good) keyboard , to which you must add a screen and mouse—and screens are more expensive than keyboards. Even a…

You don't add a new screen. You plug it into the family TV. Just like you did in the eighties when you were a kid learning to program with your Speccy or c64 or whatever. Mom or Dad or your siblings can hang out and comment on what you're doing with it. That's the experience Raspberry has been claiming to want to reproduce since they first came onto the scene in 2012, despite them not getting around to stuffing a Pi…

> Mom or Dad or your siblings can hang out and comment on what you're doing with it.

This sounds really cozy. For those of us who never got to experience it - bring it back!

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Daily driving with a Pi was very very close to possible for me, back in 2020 when I last tried it, but unfortunately a Pi 4 just didn’t have enough oomph to handle bigger web apps like outlook webmail, Google’s productivity suite, or a few other tools I needed for my job. How does the Pi 5 family compare, five years on?

The Pi 5 finally upgraded to an out-of-order CPU, so it's ~3x faster than a Pi 4. It's a huge jump. The caveat being it definitely needs a cooling solution now.

Pi 4: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/976221

Pi 5: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/9348462

but for funsies, an N150 (same price as a Pi 5 - arguably cheaper since it comes with a case, cooling, power supply, etc...): https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/10304384

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Below $200 laptops are way worse than what people imagine. Too many people look at ads, see something that looks like a laptop, and assume it's just a "no thrill" machine that mostly works. I've heard so many "how bad can it be?" hot takes as they've never used anything at that price. ※refurbished is another story, here we're talking about a new and under guarantee device so that wouldn't compare.

Lon Seidman just reviewed a $180 HP laptop from Walmart. Intel N150 processor, can run Linux and has upgradable RAM and storage: https://youtu.be/FRNz-xakWB8

But then, 2 min into the video they upgrade to 16G RAM and a 1TB SSD before going on to check the perfs. That's a testament to me of how usable they think the laptop is in its sold state.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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Below $200 laptops are way worse than what people imagine. Too many people look at ads, see something that looks like a laptop, and assume it's just a "no thrill" machine that mostly works. I've heard so many "how bad can it be?" hot takes as they've never used anything at that price. ※refurbished is another story, here we're talking about a new and under guarantee device so that wouldn't compare.

You can buy a near mint lenovo l14 gen 3 from 2022 for $200. I know this because I bought one for my in-laws a few days ago.

You don't get support and the laptop can fail on you on week 4 you're just SOL.

I understand the value of second hand, and randomly bought a discarded corporate HP tower for my home server. But I see it more as a hobby as I can probably fix most issues, than as a purchasing strategy I'd recommend to non technical people for instance.

Re: Raspberry Pi 500+

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> The ultimate all-in-one PC I object to this labelling: the term “all-in-one PC” has always been used to mean a computer integrated into a screen , to which you must add a keyboard and mouse (or more likely it will be bundled with a low-quality keyboard and mouse). But this is a computer integrated into a (good) keyboard , to which you must add a screen and mouse—and screens are more expensive than keyboards. Even a…

Or you just learn to compute blind

Did this when I built a server with integrated graphics only to find that the motherboard somehow didn't support it
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