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DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by theevocater »

keemoboy wrote: post #35
nhangen wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If balance is required, than I suspect it will there in its own due time. There is absolutely no reason to force it. I remember missing out on a college scholarship because I wasn't hispanic, and while I didn't let that stop me from pursuing my education, I'm still insulted by this sort of reverse discrimination. Why is this OK?

"it will there in its own due time" is naive at best! Those comments dinging Dev Bootcamp as "toxic" or practicing "reverse discrimination" are revealing a dangerous ignorance. Decades of sexism, racism, and systemic oppression of certain groups are not fixed in their own due time just by natural evolution or luck, they need opposing, direct, and intentional forces such as the one attempted here. I recommend if you r…

I don't know why you are getting downvoted: you are absolutely correct.

You can't just walk away and hope the problem will go away.

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by dladowitz »

irollboozers wrote: post #38

I'm really jealous of the folks who can do this. Unfortunately, I feel like young people will not be able to afford this. Which makes me wonder, what's the average age of people attending? Despite being really jealous for how easy this makes it look to 'learn to be a hacker', I personally will stick to the Zed Shaw school of learning.

I just finished the summer class. I think the average age was somewhere between 25-28 yrs old.

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by dladowitz »

flatline3 wrote: post #12
lachyg wrote: post #5

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Jeff Dickey ( http://dickey.xxx/dev-bootcamp ), an engineer at TapJoy attended our hiring day. They ended up hiring 7 of our grads.

9 weeks isn't enough time for anyone to be learning how to write production-quality code, much less take a job as anything more than an engineering intern. The fact that TapJoy is hiring people straight out of DevBootCamp makes me seriously question the quality of their engineering organization, rather than causing me to think highly of DevBootCamp (which may be an excellent program).

I'm a Dev Bootcamp grad from the summer program. I also just got hired on at Tapjoy. Can I write production-quality code? Probably not just yet. What I do know is that Tapjoy isn't the only company hiring grads. In the last 4 weeks since graduating about 20 people have been hired as Jr Ruby Developers at multiple companies. Every single one of them had to go through technical interviews to get the positions. Many companies have decided the grads have enough real knowledge to be valuable. Average salary has been somewhere around $84,000.

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by bgilroy26 »

unit_testing wrote: post #32
getsat wrote: post #28

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Wow. They could have saved space and just said "(not White, Asian, or Indian)".

You're right. People with dwarfism are disproportionally not software developers, too, but it's not trendy to care about them, so DevBootCamp doesn't care. Transgender people are disproportionally not software developers, but it's not trendy to care about them, so DevBootCamp doesn't care. White males born into poverty are disproportionally not software developers, but it's not trendy to care about them, so DevBootCa…

Hey, I'm not the biggest "diversity" cheerleader in the world, but I think this criticism is over the top.

There is a significant difference between an organization's stated rules and what you can make a phone call and get just for trying. If you belong to the category of not being a white or Asian man, give it a shot.

Being a sourpuss precludes working with people and figuring out what makes sense together. It isn't a good idea.

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by dickeytk »

flatline3 wrote: post #12
lachyg wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jeff Dickey ( http://dickey.xxx/dev-bootcamp ), an engineer at TapJoy attended our hiring day. They ended up hiring 7 of our grads.

9 weeks isn't enough time for anyone to be learning how to write production-quality code, much less take a job as anything more than an engineering intern. The fact that TapJoy is hiring people straight out of DevBootCamp makes me seriously question the quality of their engineering organization, rather than causing me to think highly of DevBootCamp (which may be an excellent program).

I wrote the aforementioned article.

Being an intern implies a temporary/part-time position or a student position, however the dictionary term is: "A student or a recent graduate undergoing supervised practical training."

I think that's absolutely what our new engineers from dev bootcamp consider themselves. I've heard that the teachers tell the students that when they graduate from DBC they are "World-class beginners". So in a way, I actually agree with what you just wrote. Not only that, but the attitude of treating yourself like a beginner is so healthy in bay area tech companies.

Another thing to keep in mind is the education is very competitive, more competitive than Harvard. These aren't just anyone, they're the top few percentage of people ready to drop 10 weeks, most move into a new city, and totally change their life in order to devote it to technology.

Luckily we have many projects with work to be done all over the stack. Obviously we're not sticking them into the hairiest of problems right off the bat. We'll start them off easy and let them progress. With their drive and their attitude, I'm confident it'll be impossible to tell who came from dbc and who came from a college in just a few months, if not weeks.

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by s_henry_paulson »

nhangen wrote: post #24

Looked neat, and then I saw this: "You qualify for a $500 scholarship if you're female or from an ethnic minority group underrepresented in the software engineering field (African American, Chicano/Latino, Native American, Pacific Islander, etc.). The tech world is notoriously unrepresentative of the larger population. We believe that the sooner that changes, the better off we all are." How is that not discrimination…

How is any scholarship not discrimination?

Athletes, young mothers, honor students, mcdonalds employees, etc.

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by bromang »

theevocater wrote: post #40
nhangen wrote: post #37

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No, actually we don't. Can you prove that, or is it just hypothesis?

I'll focus on women for a moment: http://www.commerce.gov/blog/2011/08/03/women-stem-opportuni... http://www.esa.doc.gov/Reports/women-stem-gender-gap-innovat... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/04/women-engineers_n_1... The proof is in the pudding: There are less women in STEM fields and in STEM programs in college. Even making the grandiose assumption that women have the exact same opportunities as men (see ab…

the obvious explanation is that women aren't as good at STEM subjects.
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