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Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by kabuks »

nhangen wrote: post #24

Looked neat, and then I saw this: "You qualify for a $500 scholarship if you're female or from an ethnic minority group underrepresented in the software engineering field (African American, Chicano/Latino, Native American, Pacific Islander, etc.). The tech world is notoriously unrepresentative of the larger population. We believe that the sooner that changes, the better off we all are." How is that not discrimination…

Almost every higher ed institution has scholarships for under-represented populations.

If you can think of better ways to encourage more balance in our industry I am sincerely open to suggestions.

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by unit_testing »

getsat wrote: post #28
nhangen wrote: post #24

Looked neat, and then I saw this: "You qualify for a $500 scholarship if you're female or from an ethnic minority group underrepresented in the software engineering field (African American, Chicano/Latino, Native American, Pacific Islander, etc.). The tech world is notoriously unrepresentative of the larger population. We believe that the sooner that changes, the better off we all are." How is that not discrimination…

Wow. They could have saved space and just said "(not White, Asian, or Indian)".

You're right.

People with dwarfism are disproportionally not software developers, too, but it's not trendy to care about them, so DevBootCamp doesn't care.

Transgender people are disproportionally not software developers, but it's not trendy to care about them, so DevBootCamp doesn't care.

White males born into poverty are disproportionally not software developers, but it's not trendy to care about them, so DevBootCamp doesn't care.

Hey, DevBootCamp: What makes an affluent latina more important to you than an impoverished white male? What makes an affluent white woman more important to you than an impoverished Indian with dwarfism?

Your organization is toxic. Go away.

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by nhangen »

kabuks wrote: post #31
nhangen wrote: post #24

Looked neat, and then I saw this: "You qualify for a $500 scholarship if you're female or from an ethnic minority group underrepresented in the software engineering field (African American, Chicano/Latino, Native American, Pacific Islander, etc.). The tech world is notoriously unrepresentative of the larger population. We believe that the sooner that changes, the better off we all are." How is that not discrimination…

Almost every higher ed institution has scholarships for under-represented populations. If you can think of better ways to encourage more balance in our industry I am sincerely open to suggestions.

If balance is required, than I suspect it will there in its own due time. There is absolutely no reason to force it.

I remember missing out on a college scholarship because I wasn't hispanic, and while I didn't let that stop me from pursuing my education, I'm still insulted by this sort of reverse discrimination.

Why is this OK?

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by xiaoma »

kabuks wrote: post #31
nhangen wrote: post #24

Looked neat, and then I saw this: "You qualify for a $500 scholarship if you're female or from an ethnic minority group underrepresented in the software engineering field (African American, Chicano/Latino, Native American, Pacific Islander, etc.). The tech world is notoriously unrepresentative of the larger population. We believe that the sooner that changes, the better off we all are." How is that not discrimination…

Almost every higher ed institution has scholarships for under-represented populations. If you can think of better ways to encourage more balance in our industry I am sincerely open to suggestions.

Do they? Men are now significantly under-represented in college at the undergrad level and the trend is getting worse. What scholarships/retention programs are there for men compared to those for women?

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by keemoboy »

nhangen wrote: post #33
kabuks wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost every higher ed institution has scholarships for under-represented populations. If you can think of better ways to encourage more balance in our industry I am sincerely open to suggestions.

If balance is required, than I suspect it will there in its own due time. There is absolutely no reason to force it. I remember missing out on a college scholarship because I wasn't hispanic, and while I didn't let that stop me from pursuing my education, I'm still insulted by this sort of reverse discrimination. Why is this OK?

"it will there in its own due time" is naive at best!

Those comments dinging Dev Bootcamp as "toxic" or practicing "reverse discrimination" are revealing a dangerous ignorance. Decades of sexism, racism, and systemic oppression of certain groups are not fixed in their own due time just by natural evolution or luck, they need opposing, direct, and intentional forces such as the one attempted here. I recommend if you really care about the subject to do some deeper reading of the ideology and reasons behind laws and trends towards bringing more absent representation into an industry or organization. There will always be individual instances of "injustice" while systematic oppression is being opposed, but whether you like it or not the system is still racist, even if you as an individual are not. So even though you missed out on your scholarship there are thousands of white privileges you've received without knowing or noticing that you need to own up to as well!

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by theevocater »

nhangen wrote: post #33
kabuks wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost every higher ed institution has scholarships for under-represented populations. If you can think of better ways to encourage more balance in our industry I am sincerely open to suggestions.

If balance is required, than I suspect it will there in its own due time. There is absolutely no reason to force it. I remember missing out on a college scholarship because I wasn't hispanic, and while I didn't let that stop me from pursuing my education, I'm still insulted by this sort of reverse discrimination. Why is this OK?

You said it yourself: "it didn't stop me from pursuing my own education".

We do know that it is stopping women/minorities from pursuing engineering programs/jobs by way of their male dominated nature.

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by nhangen »

theevocater wrote: post #36
nhangen wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If balance is required, than I suspect it will there in its own due time. There is absolutely no reason to force it. I remember missing out on a college scholarship because I wasn't hispanic, and while I didn't let that stop me from pursuing my education, I'm still insulted by this sort of reverse discrimination. Why is this OK?

You said it yourself: "it didn't stop me from pursuing my own education". We do know that it is stopping women/minorities from pursuing engineering programs/jobs by way of their male dominated nature.

No, actually we don't. Can you prove that, or is it just hypothesis?

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by irollboozers »

I'm really jealous of the folks who can do this. Unfortunately, I feel like young people will not be able to afford this. Which makes me wonder, what's the average age of people attending?

Despite being really jealous for how easy this makes it look to 'learn to be a hacker', I personally will stick to the Zed Shaw school of learning.

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by nhangen »

keemoboy wrote: post #35
nhangen wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If balance is required, than I suspect it will there in its own due time. There is absolutely no reason to force it. I remember missing out on a college scholarship because I wasn't hispanic, and while I didn't let that stop me from pursuing my education, I'm still insulted by this sort of reverse discrimination. Why is this OK?

"it will there in its own due time" is naive at best! Those comments dinging Dev Bootcamp as "toxic" or practicing "reverse discrimination" are revealing a dangerous ignorance. Decades of sexism, racism, and systemic oppression of certain groups are not fixed in their own due time just by natural evolution or luck, they need opposing, direct, and intentional forces such as the one attempted here. I recommend if you r…

Give me an example of this 'injustice' that you speak of? I try to convince everyone I know to become a programmer, white, black, man, woman, etc...and it doesn't matter. People gravitate to whatever they want to work on.

It's not like you minorities can't buy programming books from Barnes and Noble, or can't login to online courses and start learning.

If they don't have a computer, then we're talking strictly about affluence, and that's much different.

Re: DevBootCamp: Learn Ruby on Rails in 9 Weeks

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Post by theevocater »

nhangen wrote: post #37
theevocater wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You said it yourself: "it didn't stop me from pursuing my own education". We do know that it is stopping women/minorities from pursuing engineering programs/jobs by way of their male dominated nature.

No, actually we don't. Can you prove that, or is it just hypothesis?

I'll focus on women for a moment:

http://www.commerce.gov/blog/2011/08/03/women-stem-opportuni...

http://www.esa.doc.gov/Reports/women-stem-gender-gap-innovat...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/04/women-engineers_n_1...

The proof is in the pudding: There are less women in STEM fields and in STEM programs in college. Even making the grandiose assumption that women have the exact same opportunities as men (see above, they don't) fewer women are accepted to universities, they matriculate less, and even less stay in the field. Males on the other hand seem to do just fine. This reveals to us that there is a disparity at each step of the way that is causing women to be unable to compete or desire to.

When one person drops out, it isn't a trend. But when you have industries full of this data combined with a history of sexism and racism, you don't throw your hands up in the air and say "oh the boat will right itself".

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