Why the emphasis on Apple when Samsung was there first? It looks like the competition is making them sweat (pun intended).
Because average people "care" about Apple far more than their peers.
Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool
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Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, state actors will be able to breach into your iOS device if you're deemed important enough. Edit: Meanwhile your average Android device has multiple publicly known remote execution issues.
Yup. Pretty similar to the modern threat profile of Android, all things considered. > your average Android device has multiple publicly known remote execution issues. Help me distinguish between "publicly known" RCE vulns and private ones. Do the privately owned exploits like FORCEDENTRY count as "publicly known", or only the Greykey/Cellebrite exploits used by governments?
Apple’s primary motivation is to sell hardware. Their brand is hurt if their direct customers suffer damages through malware.
Google’s primary motivation is to sell ads. Their brand is not hurt if phone brand FlirpleFoo ships millions of Android devices and then hurts those customers by not keeping those devices secure.
Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool
#43Which most people are going to immediately cover with an insulating layer of plastic or silicone. At least the heat will be spread out from one spot (and into the battery?). All phone makers are doing what they can within the design constraints.
Why have none of the major players tried integrating a case? Making a ruggedized version? They could probably do a lot better and find ways to innovate with something integrated.
Why do they ignore the fact that so many people use cases (and the market opportunity)? It's almost a defect at this point. Some people like the personalization but I think a lot of people just want something that won't break when you drop it...
Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool
#44Last night I encountered a 3 min+ ad on YT about the construction of the iPhone 17 Pro. A few seconds were devoted to the cooling system. I watched the whole thing. It was better than the video it interrupted. https://youtu.be/_-AS5DtDeqs?si=rTfubRDArVupqREt
Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height. I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only…
How do you propose making a device that people wouldn't feel the need to put a case on? You could make the whole thing out of rubber but that's still going to take cosmetic damage that people want to protect the device from. You could make it easy to replace that rubber... but at what point is that not just functionally the same as a case?
Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, state actors will be able to breach into your iOS device if you're deemed important enough. Edit: Meanwhile your average Android device has multiple publicly known remote execution issues.
With iPhone 17 line the security situation has improved dramatically. I'm not a cybersecurity researcher, but Apple says even nation-state actors will struggle to breach a single device with the newly introduced Memory Integrity Enforcement mechanism. Their research appears legit: https://security.apple.com/blog/memory-integrity-enforcement...
> Apple says even nation-state actors will struggle to breach a single device
Oh, I remember when they said this about Blastdoor too!
Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height. I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only…
> I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone? …you don’t. I don’t. My phone is scratched here and there, but not in a way that I notice. I used to defend this with my purchasing of insurance, but frankly, I crack the screen now maybe once every 2+ years. > Apple is assuming the average person will have a case on their phone I think it is fair to assume that irrespective of the design, most people will case th…
> functional without a case. (Which, again, every iPhone in the last decade has been.
Agreed they're functional without a case.
Whether it's functional after dropping it face down on the glass onto cement/marble is another question!
I'm not too concerned with cosmetic scratches. The main issue is the screen shattering. And the back of the phone shattering in older models where the back was glass.
Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yup. Pretty similar to the modern threat profile of Android, all things considered. > your average Android device has multiple publicly known remote execution issues. Help me distinguish between "publicly known" RCE vulns and private ones. Do the privately owned exploits like FORCEDENTRY count as "publicly known", or only the Greykey/Cellebrite exploits used by governments?
> Pretty similar to the modern threat profile of Android, all things considered I don’t think this is accurate. Not even every nation-state would be expected to have access to iPhone zero days, particularly with the new memory protection rolling out.
I don't think that's accurate, either. NSO Group sold their exploits to several other nation-states, seemingly without much (any...?) vetting concerning the ethics of their government.
Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool
#48Why the emphasis on Apple when Samsung was there first? It looks like the competition is making them sweat (pun intended).
Samsung is definitely NOT the first.
Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Watching that video, the first thought I have is "So much engineering and I still need to buy a phone case with my new phone?" I'm guessing phone cases are still pretty much required if you drop your phone once or twice a month onto cement/asphalt/marble/etc from pocket height. I would be really curious to hear the internal debate at Apple wrt design tradeoffs + durability. E.g. how much of the iPhone design is only…
How do you propose making a device that people wouldn't feel the need to put a case on? You could make the whole thing out of rubber but that's still going to take cosmetic damage that people want to protect the device from. You could make it easy to replace that rubber... but at what point is that not just functionally the same as a case?
> How do you propose making a device that people wouldn't feel the need to put a case on?
If the screen were reasonably scratch + shatter proof, I think most people wouldn't feel the need to wear a case.
Re: Vapor chamber tech keeps iPhone 17 Pro cool
#50Can this tech be used for EV batteries?
EV batteries have active cooling systems that force cool air through the packs.