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I never understood why do they not limit downloading data to the speed at which you could be possibly watching it. Yesterday I downloaded a 15hour show in like 20 minutes. There is no way I could have downloaded that much data in a legit way through their website/player Im glad I wasn't blocked or throttled, but it seems like it'd be trivial to block someone like me Am I missing something? It does sort of feel like t…

There is an official download option inside the app. If they limit the download speed to the watching time, it won't be useful.

The official download option doesn't download it to your filesystem as a file. It just lets you watch the video offline in the official app/website. Just tested it now.

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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> That is not what we're talking about - the working assumption here is that the DRM scheme is sound and effective. Lol. That is not possible. If I'm able to watch something, my device must be able to decrypt the DRM. If my device can decrypt the DRM, I can take my device apart and figure out how it does this, and do it myself. The most DRM encumbered format is DCP, used my cinemas. Each projector has a unique key bu…

> Lol. That is not possible. It is possible, both under the conservative interpretation of the word (like how AACS is continuously updated as security holes are found and compromises happen, with the keys being rotated each time), and on a theoretical level (FHE). The latter is not being done because it is not nearly performant enough, and the former is an ongoing cat and mouse game that is once again irrelevant to w…

> like how AACS is continuously updated as security holes are found and compromises happen, with the keys being rotated each time

And yet with consumer hardware you can accurately rip every UHD Bluray right on release day, without any trouble.

> Can you? I mean in practice, in a practical amount of time. And is that actually done?

Most of the time effort of encoding is already spent on brute forcing these parameters to most effectively match the original input. You just need to change the way the encoder scores each possible result.

> With FHE, the "take the machine apart and analyze what it does to get the original bitstream" would be cryptographically hard, so good luck with that.

So what? You could just distribute the encrypted datastream and the key you've extracted from a device, say a smartphone you bought from an electronics recycler.

Also, I don't see how FHE with video would be possible in the next decades, considering the limitations to Moore's Law in recent years.

Video codecs are extremely complicated, requiring lots of memory and processing power.

Ten years ago, even the best gaming PCs couldn't handle software decoding. Even today many mid-range systems can't handle software video decoding.

Even hardware implementations regularly require more power and memory than the entire rest of the system. There's a reason Raspberry Pi's are primarily a video decoding chip with a CPU as coprocessor, which is why the GPU runs the bootloader.

Video is constantly at the limitations of what we can physically accomplish.

Your suggestion would require spending a massive chunk of silicon area of a SoC on a FHE decoding ASIC that would only be useful for the small minority of DRM-encumbered content people watch.

And every manufacturer, every device, would have to join, for it to make any sense at all.

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> As a website owner myself, I don't understand what's so hard now that we can write 1 HTML tag and have an embedded video on the page. You acknowledge that it's not that simple: > running ffmpeg at a few quality settings upon uploading (there are maybe 3 articles with a video per day, so any old server can handle this) Can any old server really handle that? And can it handle the resulting storage of not only the hig…

Doesn't cloudflare and amazon have this now? Pretty sure CF is developing a closed source player- but theres plenty of FOSS ones (rip the one jellyfin uses out of it- at worst). And, theres plenty of tutorials on using ffmpeg based tools to make the files. And yes, "oh no, I need to learn something new for my video workflow."

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Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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There is an official download option inside the app. If they limit the download speed to the watching time, it won't be useful.

The official download option doesn't download it to your filesystem as a file. It just lets you watch the video offline in the official app/website. Just tested it now.

Meaning the video file exists in your file system somewhere, so downloading at a higher speed than possibly viewing the video is an existing functionality in the app.

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The author makes the case that EULAs are "toothless." However, what about federal law? In the U.S., at least, it is illegal to make copies of other people's work. This is not an offense against YouTube (who does not inherently own the media they present), but the publishers, the creators, etc. Somehow, I doubt that Alan Becker would approve people downloading and sharing his videos willy-nilly.

I don't know about US law, but I would assume the "copying" in a legal sense involves distributing to a third party. Maybe I am too old, but I remember a time where the broad population recorded radio shows on Tape and video shows on VHS, and no one was asking any copyright questions. And yes, recording a TV show in your home VHS recorder and selling/giving it to third parties, was illegal in most jurisdictions and t…

VHS recordings of live TV are a bit different. According to Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc., this practice is known as Time Shifting, which is simply making the recording available for later use. The ad money has already exchanged hands, and the work was already available for public use. The court rules 5-4 that this time shifting fell under fair use.

YouTube ad money works a bit differently, and downloading the video tends to bypass that process. Also, Streaming is by its nature on-demand, so there are a lot fewer benefits for downloading the video. Furthermore, U.S. copyright law has changed since the previously cited case, so there are some extra restrictions to contend with that the Sony case did not.

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>The best YouTube downloaders for Windows (and beyond) Didn't even mention https://3dyd.com

Let me download this random .exe from this conspicuous clean random page in the internet, and run it on my machine...What could go wrong?

Ah, I can see how it looks, it's just a GUI wrapper for ffmpeg and he's a trusted dev especially in the foobar2000 community. I've been using his sw on and off for 10+ years together with yt-dlp but again, I get your point.

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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The claim that Google secretly wants YouTube downloaders to work doesn't hold up. Their focus is on delivering videos across a vast range of devices without breaking playback(and even that is blurring[0]), not enabling downloads. If you dive into the yt-dlp source code, you see the insane complexity of calculations needed to download a video. There is code to handle nsig checks, internal YouTube API quirks, and const…

Why don’t creators both publish to YouTube but also publish somewhere else for archival or public access reasons, to help keep content available for outside walled gardens? Is it just not important to them? Is it hosting costs? Missing out on ad revenue?

Youtube pays them per (ad) view, and also recommends the video to more people based on how many people click on it. So giving people another way to watch it will decrease their revenue and audience.

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One of the things that drives me crazy about YouTube is that if a video gets taken down, it shows up as a "This video is no longer available" with no further metadata. I am far, far more uptight about no knowing which video was removed than I am about the fact that it is no longer available. I have put serious thought into creating a tool that would automatically yt-dlp every video I open to a giant hard drive and ap…

> This video is no longer available. This is why I recommend everybody to stay AWAY from Youtube Music. I migrated my curated playlists from Spotify a few years ago, and to my surprise now I have dozens of songs that are no longer available and Youtube doesn’t offer a way to at least let me know which song it was. Indeed, I was a paying user and Youtube caused intentional and irretrievable data loss. After a decade o…

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