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The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

#42

The claim that Google secretly wants YouTube downloaders to work doesn't hold up. Their focus is on delivering videos across a vast range of devices without breaking playback(and even that is blurring[0]), not enabling downloads. If you dive into the yt-dlp source code, you see the insane complexity of calculations needed to download a video. There is code to handle nsig checks, internal YouTube API quirks, and const…

The argument the article is making is that if they really wanted YouTube downloaders to stop working, they'd switch to Encrypted Media Extensions. Do you think that's not plausible?

> if they really wanted YouTube downloaders to stop working

Wrong question leads to the wrong answer.

The right one is "how much of the ad revenue would be lost if". For now it's cheaper to spend bazillions on a whack-a-mole.

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

#43

This seems to be starting with the assumption that it's possible to prevent people from downloading the videos. That is a false assumption. You can, after all, just play the video and record it. Even if the entire machine playing the content is flawlessly locked down, you can just record the output. The efforts at DRM done by companies like Netflix is done because the companies that licensed the content demand it. Th…

> That doesn't mean the DRM works. You can find torrents of all those shows.

Causation does not mean correlation. The vast majority of content available via torrents did not come from breaking a streamer's DRM.

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless it’s protected by DRM.

Even with DRM, if you can see it, it's decoded somewhere along the line. There will always be a way to get the raw video out of it if you're committed enough.

circumventing the DRM is what will land you in legal hot water. storing the DRM encrypted media isn't the same offense

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, if you upload a video to YouTube you can download it from YouTube Studio at any time, so that doesn't add up at all. YouTube just doesn't make this available via API, but you've always been able to manually from YouTube Studio download your uploaded videos.

That sounds brutal if you have 5 years of daily uploads or something like that. At some point, if you want your entire catalog, that becomes a very sucky process.

Just use Google Takeout. It will create a series of archive files for you to download.

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

#46

This seems to be starting with the assumption that it's possible to prevent people from downloading the videos. That is a false assumption. You can, after all, just play the video and record it. Even if the entire machine playing the content is flawlessly locked down, you can just record the output. The efforts at DRM done by companies like Netflix is done because the companies that licensed the content demand it. Th…

> That doesn't mean the DRM works. You can find torrents of all those shows. Causation does not mean correlation. The vast majority of content available via torrents did not come from breaking a streamer's DRM.

I didn't say anything about breaking the DRM. I suggested there's no reason to.

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

#47

This seems to be starting with the assumption that it's possible to prevent people from downloading the videos. That is a false assumption. You can, after all, just play the video and record it. Even if the entire machine playing the content is flawlessly locked down, you can just record the output. The efforts at DRM done by companies like Netflix is done because the companies that licensed the content demand it. Th…

> That doesn't mean the DRM works. You can find torrents of all those shows. Causation does not mean correlation. The vast majority of content available via torrents did not come from breaking a streamer's DRM.

It didn't? Then how are they getting the streamed bits directly? Since there's generally a torrent available that is the direct source, no re-encoding.

Or do you mean they read the source from hacking into a memory buffer after the player does decryption but before decoding, instead of doing the decryption themselves?

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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post #34

Want I really want is an *arr style app that I can give a list of Youtube channels I want archived, and it would just keep the archive up to date indefinitely.

Somebody made a script that automatically downloads from YouTube using RSS feeds - assuming I don't jinx it by mentioning they still have those...

https://github.com/Jocomol/newsboat_video_downloader

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