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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by mariusor »

jjangkke wrote: post #23

Overton Window shift basically. One side used cancel culture relentlessly for even the smallest slights. Now the other side is using the very same tactic. Many people who have kept out of the extremes have now shifted towards the right and those who ignore the shift are finding out the hard way. I advise HN users who aren't aware of what's happening, read up on what Overton Window is and why its dangerous to continue…

I think it hits quite different when the canceling is done by a gaggle of oversensitive Karens as opposed to by members of the government.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by hobs »

lupusreal wrote: post #106
martythemaniak wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's really pathetic about the current situation is that McCarthyism was at least rooted in the fear that Soviets would bomb and kill people, which given Russia's conduct in Ukraine and other places was well-founded. The current authoritarian backsliding is because... woke? Truly the dumbest of timelines.

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That would be called concern trolling where I am from. This idea that "woke" has somehow threatened people is an amusing but rings more hollow every day.

Right wing authoritarianism is by far the biggest terrorist threat in the united states - right wingers literally threaten war on social media on the regular and love their guns, elected officials are literally conspiracy theorists who talk about jewish space lasers and weather control systems, women have lost the right to abortions, we are testing the waters on gay marriage and mixed race marriage, we started a global trade war, the courts, congress, and the executive branch are controlled by one party and no one is doing any balance of powers.

This all happens and I still hear people talk to me like "the liberals just shouldn't say X on twitter because its rude!!!" as if that's going to stop the white nationalists currently on the rampage in the government.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by hobs »

xyzelement wrote: post #88
pm90 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Barr wasn’t cancelled by threats from the Government.

That's a nuance without consequence. Barr is a random example that came to mind. The larger point is that it's been very difficult for a while to be a conservative in media, or academia or in the workplace, due to the ease with which you were canceled. The reason people stick with principles because it helps them and the other side - it's a high ground maneuver. But once you feel like you are consistently deprived of…

Absolutely not, I will not concede this point at all. People deciding you are intolerable is not the same as the government putting pressure on your employer.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by g42gregory »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #96
g42gregory wrote: post #74

People are discovering that cancel culture goes both ways. Neither one is good. But let's not pretend that cancel culture has not been going for many years now. Remember Fox News cancelling, their most popular at the time, Tucker Carlson Show?

I think the problem is that the FCC is getting involved here.

Yes, they could have spent time, first creating an informal "communication safety" group between some Government agency and Disney/ABC. But I feel like this is splitting hairs.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by erulabs »

ajross wrote: post #115
erulabs wrote: post #109

A lot of things can be true at the same time: - The FCC shouldn't be involved in content moderation, and the FCC Chair is obviously on an authoritarian power trip. - What Kimmel said was wrong (assuming you believe Utah state investigators) and deeply irresponsible and inflammatory. - Clearly the market was already deciding that Kimmel's show is irrelevant (Nielsen ratings quite clear on that). - The FCC is only invo…

> - What Kimmel said was wrong (assuming you believe Utah state investigators) and deeply irresponsible and inflammatory. Was it really though? Paraphrased, Kimmel said that the killer was a republican. He had a republican background, but it didn't motivate the killing which didn't seem to have any particular ideology beyond (maybe) trans identity politics and/or edgelord memery. So yeah, that was wrong. But if that'…

> Was it really though? Paraphrased, Kimmel said that the killer was a republican. He had a republican background, but it didn't motivate the killing which didn't seem to have any particular ideology beyond (maybe) trans identity politics. So yeah, that was wrong.

Look I don't even pretend to know the truth. But the sitting governor of Utah, the highest authority on the investigation (which is being done by Utah state investigators), said the shooter had a "leftest ideology". NYT source: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/us/kirk-shooting-suspect-...

Now its fine to not believe the governor, but I am not one of the investigators so thats as good as I can get unless I believe in a conspiracy by the state of Utah itself, which I think warrants evidence.

Personally I don't believe in "group X verbed Y", as I do not believe that groups can act. Liberals didn't shoot anyone, conservatives didn't shoot anyone; a single individual person shot someone. Group identity is not interesting to me, nor do I find it helpful. I do find it very inflammatory tho, and think is a deplorable thing to say to uninformed viewers at home.

By "not nearly as bad as you think", what I mean is, the FCC has always policed content on broadcast television. Shows have been cut mid-air due to foul language. We have never had "freedom of speech" on broadcast television. And, if you notice that it's not even clear the FCC took any action, that it was actually ABC's distributors who caused the ruckus, then this is bog-standard "cancel culture", which, while bad, is hardly the death of free speech. I'd be perfectly unbothered if broadcast television died completely, thus reducing the FCCs ability to control the media period.

Yes, I'd love to live in a world with less censorship, less stupidity, less government control, but that's not the world we live in, and its not the world we used to live in, either.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by hobs »

g42gregory wrote: post #74

People are discovering that cancel culture goes both ways. Neither one is good. But let's not pretend that cancel culture has not been going for many years now. Remember Fox News cancelling, their most popular at the time, Tucker Carlson Show?

I do remember that, and it turns out there's so many reasons to have fired TC that people had pages of listicles on why he could have been fired https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... and none of them were cancel culture it turns out. Fox already lied and paid out hundreds of millions on dominion, it couldn't handle paying for any more lies.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by hakunin »

erulabs wrote: post #109

A lot of things can be true at the same time: - The FCC shouldn't be involved in content moderation, and the FCC Chair is obviously on an authoritarian power trip. - What Kimmel said was wrong (assuming you believe Utah state investigators) and deeply irresponsible and inflammatory. - Clearly the market was already deciding that Kimmel's show is irrelevant (Nielsen ratings quite clear on that). - The FCC is only invo…

> - What Kimmel said was wrong (assuming you believe Utah state investigators) and deeply irresponsible and inflammatory.

I agree that we should be disavowing violence.

The problem is that for 10 years democratic lawmakers and media figures are disavowing violence on both sides, while republican lawmakers and media figures are doing the opposite: stoking the flames, promoting the idea of civil war, telling everyone that the country is stolen from them, that immigrants are out to get them, that democrats are out to get them, etc. According to this rhetoric, democrats are to blame for all of this. When something bad happens and it's not democrats who caused it, they come up with a conspiratorial explanation for how it's still democrats.

So when one side keeps constantly disavowing, and the other side keeps constantly attacking, at some point disavowing becomes literally the wrong thing to do. You can't lay down your weapon while the other person just keeps hitting, and expect the hitting to stop.

What we are being shown repeatedly by republicans is that violent, divisive rhetoric actually leads to electoral victories, and grants free license to become "president for one side only" and do whatever that side wants. If democrats continue to disavow and apologize, they will end up simply extinct. This is why some democrats stopped doing that.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by xyzelement »

hobs wrote: post #123
xyzelement wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a nuance without consequence. Barr is a random example that came to mind. The larger point is that it's been very difficult for a while to be a conservative in media, or academia or in the workplace, due to the ease with which you were canceled. The reason people stick with principles because it helps them and the other side - it's a high ground maneuver. But once you feel like you are consistently deprived of…

Absolutely not, I will not concede this point at all. People deciding you are intolerable is not the same as the government putting pressure on your employer.

You don't have to conceded anything. You think conservatives can't point to examples of the government squeezing them, under the guise of COVID stuff, DEI requirements and the like? Or they don't think there was pressure from the government to shape the news?

I want to agree with you, I am just saying it doesn't matter what you and I agree on. Conservatives have clearly seen and felt the principles not applying to their benefits and they are over it. Whether you or I can agonize about a particular misapplication of a particular principle doesn't matter.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by thrownawayohman »

erulabs wrote: post #109

A lot of things can be true at the same time: - The FCC shouldn't be involved in content moderation, and the FCC Chair is obviously on an authoritarian power trip. - What Kimmel said was wrong (assuming you believe Utah state investigators) and deeply irresponsible and inflammatory. - Clearly the market was already deciding that Kimmel's show is irrelevant (Nielsen ratings quite clear on that). - The FCC is only invo…

Man you are delusional. How many pols and their elk where clamoring for civil war because a YouTuber got shot that they _assumed_ was a leftist? How many of those same people said anything when a democratic state senator and their spouse was murdered, and another pair seriously wounded?

This is the type of nonsense that really bothers me with this site. It’s an attempt to “both sides” everything in a pathetic attempt at seeming logical.

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