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After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by reaperducer »

It's sad that the head of the FCC is ignorant of what the FCC does.

The Fairness doctrine was eliminated in the late 80's by Republicans whose talk shows were taking over AM radio.

Later, the FCC took the position that it does not have the authority to regulate content. Only technical things like frequency allocation.

Now, suddenly the Republicans want to invoke the rules they killed because someone got their feelings hurt?

Man up, GOP.

Maybe turn off the TV and read a book, or go for a walk, or take up a hobby other than being angry at everything.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by christophilus »

squigz wrote: post #7

I'm sure there's some Republicans on HN. I'm curious why/if you think that, if the public pressuring companies to fire people for some things (what some people call "cancelling") is wrong, it's somehow more appropriate for the government to do it? Or is this just a matter of, "well, they did it for years, now it's our turn" for you? (If you don't actually support this party, consider refraining from sharing your opin…

Most republicans I know despised Kimmel but think the government overstepped. I’m not a Republican, but I am conservative. I think these moves are inexcusable.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by lupusreal »

martythemaniak wrote: post #61
labrador wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been worse before in America and we've returned to normal, so I have hope as an American. See McCarthyism in the 1950's, when people like Kimmel were blackballed from working: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

What's really pathetic about the current situation is that McCarthyism was at least rooted in the fear that Soviets would bomb and kill people, which given Russia's conduct in Ukraine and other places was well-founded. The current authoritarian backsliding is because... woke? Truly the dumbest of timelines.

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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by convolvatron »

biophysboy wrote: post #55

Beyond the obvious state censorship issues here, its worth noting that Kimmel's monologue on Sep 15 appeared before add'l evidence (texts, discord chats) came out about Tyler Robinson's incoherent beliefs. This means that Kimmel's implied accusation (Tyler was MAGA) was a real possibility at the time, rather than willful misinformation.

I took his statement to be deeper than MAGA vs liberal.

Regardless of the spin, the view that political opponents are existential risks to the republic and thus demand to be killed for the good of all of is what he was suggesting that is shared.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by Retinal7467 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #98
Retinal7467 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Correct. He didn't use a legal framework, and did it anyway. They even convinced Twitter to ban retweeting an unfavorable New York Post article that turned out true! https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/mark-zuckerbe... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/zuckerberg-says-the-wh... https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO02/20220914/115106/HHRG... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/oct/14/facebook-..…

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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by erulabs »

A lot of things can be true at the same time:

- The FCC shouldn't be involved in content moderation, and the FCC Chair is obviously on an authoritarian power trip.

- What Kimmel said was wrong (assuming you believe Utah state investigators) and deeply irresponsible and inflammatory.

- Clearly the market was already deciding that Kimmel's show is irrelevant (Nielsen ratings quite clear on that).

- The FCC is only involved in content because of how TV broadcasting worked ~50 years ago (large swaths of RF spectrum allocated to certain license holders, only a few channels -could- exist due to technical reasons, thus fairness rules).

- ABC's distributors threatened to stop airing the network, which is what actually caused Disney/ABC to act, it's hard to say what impact the FCC Chairs comments actually had.

- The idea that the FCC needs to act to protect the TV Broadcasting systems is ridiculous, just let it all die, we're very far past the "public square" era of media.

- Had the FCC made no comment, and Disney pulled the show due to the distributors actions, it would have obviously just been "cancel culture but from the right", instead Brendan Carr wants to get in the headlines and so here we are.

It's all a perfect Scissor Statement. You can absolutely not care about Kimmel, you can think the FCC's TV licensing scheme is pointless and outdated, you can be 0% surprised Disney only cares about money and Carr is an idiot, and still you can get into a heated argument about this stuff. My own mother texted me "Free speech is dead" and hurah, now I get to do 3 hours of reading to say "it never really existed in broadcast television and also yes, this is bad, but not nearly as bad as you think" and boom now I'm the fascist.

"Sort by Controversial" is such a troubling timeline.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by Jtsummers »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #60
Jtsummers wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They stopped caring about your feelings, because you didn't care about theirs. Free speech is not about feelings. It's a principle, one enshrined in the US Constitution. If you don't believe in free speech, just say it. Say you don't want free speech, free assembly, free religion, and the free press. Don't cry about hurt feelings, though. That's what children do.

They stood for free speech; but judging by the downvotes here, the left didn't care about their free speech. If it did, my post above wouldn't be at -4, while the inflammatory answer above is still in the black. The left instead rationalized it under "free speech is not freedom from consequences", called them Nazis, fascists, bigots, homophobes, misogynists, you'd need a thesaurus. Every slur in the thesaurus, they u…

You seem to be done editing this finally, so I'll quote (in case you edit it again) and respond:

> When your opponent plays dirty, when your figureheads get killed or nearly killed, why uphold the rules?

The Constitution wasn't shredded after Lincoln's assassination, Kennedy's, the attempt on Reagan. Why shred it now? You either believe in the principles, or you do not. If you don't, just admit it instead of complaining about hurt feelings or people playing dirty. Be an adult.

Damn, you managed to edit it while I was typing that, but the irony in this is rich:

> actively seeks to get you fired from your job

The Vice President of the United States is calling for people to be fired for speech. Again, you either believe in the freedom of speech or you don't. It's very clear that you do not. So again, be an adult. Admit that your position is an unprincipled one and based on feelings rather than thought.

EDIT: Removed "or Roosevelt" from attempted assassinations, he was the former president, not the sitting president, at the time.

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