Live data from Hacker News

The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

economist.com

91–100 of 258 posts

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

#91

As with everything, I guess do it in moderation and don't be stupid...? Planning on being out a full day under the summer sun as a very pale north European? Slob on all the sunscreen that you can and hide in the shade when possible. A day out in mid September / mid March when the sun is not looking to murder you? Revel in it. Soak it up. Be a plant.

Also, critically, get regular sun exposure so that your skin adapts. Ideally do this before it gets intense.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

#92
dunno man, just had melanoma removed from my ear and if it had moved to my lymph nodes I had a 50% chance of dying within 5 years. thankfully it didn't but it was caused by sun damage incurred in my youth. I'll be wearing sunscreen and mostly avoiding direct sunlight.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

#93

It’s tempting to see things like this and think “well of course it does, because that’s how we evolved”. But I think that might just be post-rationalization? At the very least, I think the argument _doesn’t_ hold for periodic famine, extreme temperatures, most disease, etc even though we also evolved with those things. Is there any guiding principle that separates the things-we-evolved-with-that-are-good vs the -that…

Since I was a little kid I was always skeptical of slathering something all over my body just to go outside. Just thought…how did people survive before this stuff if we really need it so bad.

Global migration outpaced evolutionary adaption a long time ago. Many peoples have adapted to local UV conditions, but can now jump on an airplane and are instantly in a completely different environment.

Additionally, if you've ever seen a portrait of a human in the UV spectrum, you'll notice how shiny they look. I'm sure modern people have much less protective oils in their skin as a result of increased bathing required by societal and sanitation norms of modern urbanized habitation.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

#94
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often living in a different climate zone, US is well south of Europe.

56th latitude person can be literally baked by northern mediterannean (~42 lat) March sun in a couple of days. But a couple months later.. no problems climbing mountains all day. We are very adaptable.

You can choose to bake, and your skin will harden up and deal with it, but it will also cause long term leathery skin, which many find unattractive, and increased skin cancer risk.

Tho I agree with economist article, sun exposure is very good for you, just not high UV exposure.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

#96
post #19
post #4

Who actually thought that getting sunlight was bad ?

It is a big thing in Asia to avoid sunlight to avoid premature aging and tanning. It's an interesting parallel you can observe in parks: in my country in Europe, people will prefer to sit on the benches exposed to the sun first, in China and Korea, people will sit in the shade instead.

Lived in SE Asia fora few years and my understanding is that tan skin = outdoor labor = lower caste.

My spouse is asian and I'm N Euro - I would kill to have skin that just tans no matter how much sun you get. I think I've seen her get burns twice in over a decade and we do a lot of beach time.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

#97

It’s tempting to see things like this and think “well of course it does, because that’s how we evolved”. But I think that might just be post-rationalization? At the very least, I think the argument _doesn’t_ hold for periodic famine, extreme temperatures, most disease, etc even though we also evolved with those things. Is there any guiding principle that separates the things-we-evolved-with-that-are-good vs the -that…

Yeah, I've always found it a very weird and weak argument. There are plenty of things we've evolved with that would be considered pretty bad for us now. For example, we evolved as a polygamous species (like virtually all mammals), meaning harams, lots of sexless males and fighting etc. Also important to remember evolution operates at a population level, not individual. We are descended from females that were able to…

Where do you get the idea that we evolved as a polygamous species? The few remaining hunter-gatherer societies don't work like that. I think that kind of polygamy came with agriculture.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since I was a little kid I was always skeptical of slathering something all over my body just to go outside. Just thought…how did people survive before this stuff if we really need it so bad.

People didn't used to expose themselves to as much direct sun and covered themselves with a lot more clothes. Traditional clothing in arid sunny areas typically covers everything, look at people in the middle east today. I live in a very sunny desert area and it's kind of funny when people assume people from here would be "more tanned". We stay in the shade, the sun will kill you! Anyone working outside is wearing wi…

Absolutely agree.

I'm find myself aghast when I travel to different environments and observe people laying in direct sun almost naked. Not that I think they shouldn't, it's just such a stark contrast to my norm. I'll end up with a painful sunburn if I venture outside uncovered for more than 10 minutes at home.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

#99
> followed 30,000 Swedish women for 20 years. It likewise found that, even after correcting for things like age, wealth and health, sun-seeking behaviour was associated with a lower chance of death from all causes.

Is it because they got exposed to sun or is it because of the "sun-seeking behavior", which probably means more physical activity?

Either way, it's too soon to be throwing away our sunscreen.

Re: The health benefits of sunlight may outweigh the risk of skin cancer

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get melanoma, it can progress within weeks or months to stage >1. An annual checkup is not enough. And then you get 50% chance if you qualify for gene therapy or die.

What is the recommended screening frequency ?

That highly depends on the individual and their risk profile. But the best approach in general is to be aware of the signs that are up on these posters you see in every good dermatologist's office. Then you can spot abnormalities immediately and get them checked out professionally. Half of all melanomas are not found by screenings and are self-detected instead.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/cancer/screening-advice-thats...

Post reply on HN