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Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by mikemcquaid »

ilikepi wrote: post #104

There is some more context on a post[1] in /r/ruby, including the fact that the maintainers and others had been working on a proposal[2] for a formalized organizational governance structure as recently as yesterday. The latter also adds some context into Mike McQuaid's involvement: the proposal was influenced by the structure put in place by the Homebrew project. [1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/1nkzszc/ru…

I'm trying to help, where I can, to mediate. On a call right now about this. Had 4 in the last 24 hours with affected parties past and present on both sides.

I'm not involved beyond just caring a lot about Ruby.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by blibble »

bradgessler wrote: post #55
thomascountz wrote: post #42

An update from Ruby Central: Strengthening the Stewardship of RubyGems and Bundler https://rubycentral.org/news/strengthening-the-stewardship-o...

It reads like lawyers and auditors took over RubyCentral.

it's the professional management class at it again

see: mozilla, nominet (recovered, thankfully)

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by rm808 »

dismalaf wrote: post #119
notmsn wrote: post #102

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The American Ruby community... They tried to cancel Matz for not supporting weird DEI corporate speak in the TOS, they've been trying to cancel DHH for years for his mild conservative lean. There's also a weird contingent who keep trying to push stuff like TypeScript for Rails and typing for Ruby, at one point they wanted to fork Rails when DHH made Hotwire default (they wanted React), etc.. Outside the weird US corp…

I love seeing where Ruby Kaigi is going. Do you happen to have a link regarding a cancel against Matz? I'm often heads down and am genuinely curious to know more.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by paulbjensen »

mijoharas wrote: post #112
mijoharas wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the linked article, DHH links out to a wikipedia article titled "Ethnic groups in London"[0]. He then uses a statistic that "only a third" are native brits in 2021, which roughly lines up with the "White British" line in the chart. You can argue that "white supremecist" is a charged and problematic term, but I'd say that "Here he complains about too many brown people in London." is a fairly accurate representation…

just double checked, there is a separate section of the article that has the "foreign born" population of london, which is 36%, so he's definitely excluding any non-white english people there.

I used to work at a Ruby on Rails shop many years ago (New Bamboo, now part of ThoughtBot) which is in London.

I got pointed to the blog post, and it was such a strikingly-bad hot take that I had to write a response: http://paulbjensen.co.uk/2025/09/17/on-dhhs-as-i-remember-lo...

In my opinion, initially I thought "Oh David's been sucked into some kind of social media bubble (on X) or disinformation space", but then as I read the post, down to the bit where he started talking about "demographic replacement", I came to the view that this is who he is a person.

It's shocking and disappointing.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by wild_egg »

mperham wrote: post #94
mijoharas wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The unstated reason for this change was that many of the existing Rubygems maintainers have recently quit (including their only full-time engineer) due to their continued relationship with DHH. Can someone expand on what this means? Is it a continued relationship between Ruby Central and DHH, or the maintainers and DHH? Why does the other party have a problem with that? EDIT: It seems the post was clarified since I…

I clarified the toot.

Didn't RC drop DHH from RailsConf because of his views? Seems weird to think they're collaborate on a coup or whatever is being suggested here.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by wild_egg »

mijoharas wrote: post #108
baggy_trough wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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In the linked article, DHH links out to a wikipedia article titled "Ethnic groups in London"[0]. He then uses a statistic that "only a third" are native brits in 2021, which roughly lines up with the "White British" line in the chart. You can argue that "white supremecist" is a charged and problematic term, but I'd say that "Here he complains about too many brown people in London." is a fairly accurate representation…

No dog in this race but, as an outsider, it's always seemed really odd that some countries (Japan sticks out) are allowed to prioritize cultural preservation but European countries are not.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by dismalaf »

rm808 wrote: post #124
dismalaf wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American Ruby community... They tried to cancel Matz for not supporting weird DEI corporate speak in the TOS, they've been trying to cancel DHH for years for his mild conservative lean. There's also a weird contingent who keep trying to push stuff like TypeScript for Rails and typing for Ruby, at one point they wanted to fork Rails when DHH made Hotwire default (they wanted React), etc.. Outside the weird US corp…

I love seeing where Ruby Kaigi is going. Do you happen to have a link regarding a cancel against Matz? I'm often heads down and am genuinely curious to know more.

https://github.com/ruby/www.ruby-lang.org/pull/2690

This was the original issue.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28712821

HN thread. Plus lots of Twitter nonsense at the time.

The heat's died down now that COVID is over, changing politics worldwide, etc...

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by dismalaf »

wild_egg wrote: post #127
mijoharas wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the linked article, DHH links out to a wikipedia article titled "Ethnic groups in London"[0]. He then uses a statistic that "only a third" are native brits in 2021, which roughly lines up with the "White British" line in the chart. You can argue that "white supremecist" is a charged and problematic term, but I'd say that "Here he complains about too many brown people in London." is a fairly accurate representation…

No dog in this race but, as an outsider, it's always seemed really odd that some countries (Japan sticks out) are allowed to prioritize cultural preservation but European countries are not.

A very ironic example is that Americans moving to Mexico is seen as bad, whereas Mexicans moving to the US is seen as necessary by the left...

In Canada here, we have land acknowledgements and it's politically correct to say we stole the land and should give it back to the natives. Then when native Europeans want to keep their land, it's white supremacy...

It's a very obvious double standard.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

wild_egg wrote: post #127
mijoharas wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the linked article, DHH links out to a wikipedia article titled "Ethnic groups in London"[0]. He then uses a statistic that "only a third" are native brits in 2021, which roughly lines up with the "White British" line in the chart. You can argue that "white supremecist" is a charged and problematic term, but I'd say that "Here he complains about too many brown people in London." is a fairly accurate representation…

No dog in this race but, as an outsider, it's always seemed really odd that some countries (Japan sticks out) are allowed to prioritize cultural preservation but European countries are not.

That's an interesting observation and I think it comes down to immigration policy. I haven't actually looked into it but I've heard that Japan basically doesn't allow for long-term immigration, except probably in exceptional cases like PhDs.

Where EU countries (I know this excludes the UK but it didn't for a long time) allow easy long-term immigration by EU policy. Even with Brexit, I don't think that culture of easy immigration is going to just up and disappear. So having a culture and/or policy of easy immigration alongside "well, actually, not those guys" where "those guys" includes anybody who's not already culturally/ethnically part of the nation is, minimally, counter-productive and perhaps a bit hypocritical.

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