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Re: Nostr

#191

Post by nunobrito »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #179
nunobrito wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It nowhere similar to Monero in privacy, because it was never private to begin with. Please read: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/state-of-bitcoin-light... And attention that Monero isn't the only privacy coin in town, but it is the one that is without doubt more attacked by governments due to its privacy. You don't see the same treatment for neither LN nor bitcoin, instead you see governments supporting it. Th…

You do not even acknowledge that monero payments take minutes (plus waiting for X confirmations) up to hours to finally settle. Lightning payments are instantenous, and take seconds (!). While moneros privacy might be higher that lightning, it is completely unusuable as a web micro-payment network.

I don't think you ever used Monero because payments are settled in a few minutes and the user gets fast notification of incoming transaction.

So that point you raise is fake. However, if you want to pick a more realistic reason then complain about the fees which are still high when doing for example a payment of 5 cents and the fee will often also be 5 cents whereas it should be free.

Anyways, I'm not even a fan of Monero being used for that purpose. The conversation here was about privacy and the lack of it on some virtual coins.

Re: Nostr

#192

Post by jonstaab »

CaptArmchair wrote: post #109
keiferski wrote: post #26

Something I don’t quite get about these new social networks that are clearly aimed at technical people: my model of a truly decentralized social network is more like a network of privately hosted personal websites, à la the original web. Not yet another platform I need to make an account to interact on separately. Have there been any attempts to make more of a “network” that incentivizes operating personal websites b…

This an interesting question. Forgive my meandering take on this. We already have a mix of technologies to achieve that effect. Sort of. Simplified, you can host a personal website on shared hosting, a VPS, or wherever, at the same time chat via IRC or XMPP, and use RSS to create feeds to share tidbits about yourself. Nothing stops you from combining different programs and services to get that. So, what are the probl…

Very thoughtful points. One thing about nostr is that it does tend to balkanize due to the technical architecture, allowing for different groups of people to use it in different ways (different relay policies, client features, filtering, etc). But the tradeoffs you list are real, and enforce real constraints (the biggest of which is bare keys as identifiers). Many of these constraints can be designed away, which keeps me optimistic. We've had 30 years of research and development into password management, but far less into end-user key management. Even if nostr itself has some fatal flaw, I think a lot of interesting ideas are coming out of it, just because it provides a very different set of affordances for digital spaces.

Re: Nostr

#193

Post by tempodox »

> Nostr is an apolitical communication commons. A simple standard that […] can be used to spread information freely. Not controlled by any corporation or government …

One could argue that this is a deeply political thing, just not one that the usual suspects would care for. +1.

Re: Nostr

#194

Post by jonstaab »

numpad0 wrote: post #100
benrutter wrote: post #23

Hope this doesn't come accross as rhetorical, it's a genuine question! Nostr users, how does this differ in your experience from Mastodon? At first glance it seems like the same idea but with the extra ingredient of blockchain, I'm not sure what this adds though, anonymity?

Last time I checked(years ago), it was like Mastodon but there are only dozen servers, and posting once in standard clients post it on all servers. Everything is a tweet, and servers serve you contents based on what it remembers about you. The core principle is that bans and refusals by server operators are at best customary since users can receive the same information elsewhere, even transparently. Though, they did…

It's very unlike mastodon in that server operators have minimal control over user identities and content. Spam control is still a work in progress, but has come a long way through web of trust and more responsible relay operation. I invite you to give it another try!

Re: Nostr

#195

Post by krapp »

imiric wrote: post #118
thrownawaysz wrote: post #58

>apolitical communication commons Some people say that labeling yourself apolitical is 1, a polticial statement 2, a privilege itself which puts you into a certain socio-political position

Software is inherently apolitical. Claiming otherwise would be like saying that a hammer or drill are political, which is absurd. Political views are placed on software depending on the author's beliefs, but it's perfectly valid to release software in the public domain without any restrictions or expectations.

>Software is inherently apolitical. Claiming otherwise would be like saying that a hammer or drill are political, which is absurd.

No one sells "apolitical hammers" or "apolitical drills." If one has to specify that software is apolitical, it isn't.

No software exists in a vacuum, even the license terms are a political statement. Certainly nostr was created as an expression of fiatjaf's specific political ideals, and those ideals will tend to attract certain political demographics, and repel others.

Re: Nostr

#196

Post by littlecranky67 »

nunobrito wrote: post #191
littlecranky67 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do not even acknowledge that monero payments take minutes (plus waiting for X confirmations) up to hours to finally settle. Lightning payments are instantenous, and take seconds (!). While moneros privacy might be higher that lightning, it is completely unusuable as a web micro-payment network.

I don't think you ever used Monero because payments are settled in a few minutes and the user gets fast notification of incoming transaction. So that point you raise is fake. However, if you want to pick a more realistic reason then complain about the fees which are still high when doing for example a payment of 5 cents and the fee will often also be 5 cents whereas it should be free. Anyways, I'm not even a fan of M…

There is no point discussing with you, you twist every argument around - "...payments are settled in a few minutes and the user gets fast notification of incoming transaction." is not even contrary to what I wrote, you repeated my point. Minutes to clear a transaction vs. a second (sometimes a couple of seconds) is not even close to comparable. Anyway, I am out of this thread.

Re: Nostr

#197

Post by u8080 »

thrownawaysz wrote: post #58

>apolitical communication commons Some people say that labeling yourself apolitical is 1, a polticial statement 2, a privilege itself which puts you into a certain socio-political position

If everything is political, then nothing is political. I believe that author(s) just don't want to participate in non-technical discussions around his creation.

Re: Nostr

#198

Post by cropcirclbureau »

nunobrito wrote: post #15
christoph123 wrote: post #10

What's a good place to get started? Any favorite apps from these? https://nostrapps.com/

https://yakihonne.com/ tends to be a good experience for browser and has apps, after that https://primal.net is also quite good as introduction since their UI is similar to what you are used in other platforms. Then there is https://www.amethyst.social/ which is excellent because it brings out more of the potential of the platform.

Word of warning: was blasted with NSFW on the first page of that link.

Re: Nostr

#199

Post by [deleted] »

dbushell wrote: post #34

A big misconception I've seen is the assumption that Nostr relays are federated and share messages between one another. This is not how it works. So if you're building a "Twitter clone" the client app must search multiple relays and post to multiple relays. If clients are not using a relay in common they cannot see one another. The end result is a bad experience for both user and developer. Using a single relay is ce…

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Re: Nostr

#200

Post by krapp »

veeti wrote: post #153
thrownawaysz wrote: post #58

>apolitical communication commons Some people say that labeling yourself apolitical is 1, a polticial statement 2, a privilege itself which puts you into a certain socio-political position

Those people can stick to their little Mastodon instances where they can play God.

>"those people"

Oh look I found the politics.

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