There's also Stacker News which is centralized like Reddit or HN but uses BTC micropayments over Lightning in lieu of upvotes. It's a lot slower than HN but so far the SNR is a lot higher. It's also a bit dominated by Bitcoin content (much like some Nostr stuff.) Whether that's just a function of size or not is yet to be seen.
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Re: Nostr
#72A big misconception I've seen is the assumption that Nostr relays are federated and share messages between one another. This is not how it works. So if you're building a "Twitter clone" the client app must search multiple relays and post to multiple relays. If clients are not using a relay in common they cannot see one another. The end result is a bad experience for both user and developer. Using a single relay is ce…
It is somehow misleading to feature a Twitter clone on the front page when Mastodon is a better way to achieve that.
The protocol's real value lies in other use cases.
Re: Nostr
#73>apolitical communication commons Some people say that labeling yourself apolitical is 1, a polticial statement 2, a privilege itself which puts you into a certain socio-political position
Those people are right. Most of the time "apolitical" is used naively or to hide a political context.
Re: Nostr
#74I don't understand. Can someone explain it to me from a technical/IT perspective? Is it like HTTP or JSON, or like XMPP...? "An open protocol with a chance of working" = ?huh? "Nostr doesn't subscribe to political ideals of "free speech"" = ???huh? "BEEP BOOP" ???wtf?? Please don't explain technical things as if you were talking to children. Explain them as if you were talking to a colleague sitting next to you. Talk…
It is a standard of how one thing talks to another thing. It is JSON with some fingerprinting/hashing send over Websocket. Thats basically it. What you do with it, remains up to your implementation. That helped me understand the protocol better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbt3jL1Ms0w This also helps understand the whole basic concept: https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/01.md
Thank you! Exactly this "It is JSON with some fingerprinting/hashing send over Websocket" should be write there somewhere + put a link to the documentation and an example of how to use it. I don't want to watch an hour-long video.
Re: Nostr
#75>apolitical communication commons Some people say that labeling yourself apolitical is 1, a polticial statement 2, a privilege itself which puts you into a certain socio-political position
I would interpret it as anyone is welcome. The only barrier to entry is an internet connection, and even that is needed for just part of your experience. I'd guess it's context is the censorship seen in the last decade on most social media platforms.
> I would interpret it as anyone is welcome.
...which is a very much a political statement.
Re: Nostr
#76It would be cool if you could somehow form chains of trust with this, maybe even with links to other social media, where you could "follow other people that this guy has vetted". I want my social media censored and curated, but I want to choose my own censors and curators.
There is the concept of Data Vending Machines (DVMs) and curated follow lists now.
There’s also work on a Web of Trust in some clients that filters notes from people that don’t meet the WOT score. It’s essentially a weighted score based on who you follow and who they follow
Re: Nostr
#77Glad to see Nostr on top of HN. It is in its infancy, but Nostr allows for "zapps" (basically sending instant micropayments via bitcoin-lightning) - so instead of using ads and dubious algorithms, you can show your appreciation to content creators by small payments. This is a model for an ad-free, decentralized social media system.
> > Glad to see Nostr on top of HN. It is in its infancy, but Nostr allows for "zapps"
Nostr has existed for at least 5 years. I remember people migrate there and promote it on Twitter during pandemic. Infancy?
Re: Nostr
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Either of them. I can't even fathom how this would be your first time experience there, other people here on this topic confirm that it doesn't happen. If you feel that is wrong, please describe the steps to replicate such situation.
Happy to help. Step 1: In 2023, notice a crypto spam post on Mastodon with a weird account name. Step 2: Look up what could have made that post, which was bridged from some other service. Step 3: Set up a key, grab a client (I used a web client that deployed to Netlify's free tier). Step 4: Follow some howtos, add relays, follow some accounts that repeat other accounts, try to figure out how discovery works. Step 5:…
What relays were you on? I have never seen CP on nostr.
Did you start off following the crypto spammer mentioned or that was just what caused you to find nostr?
I'd be curious how you built your initial follow list, as that and the relays you were on is the source of what you see. Kind of like if you go to weird ass websites you'll see that content, but nostr itself doesn't expose anything to a user, it's only a network for content read/write.
Re: Nostr
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does lightning work now? A few years ago, I remember they had quite some difficulties. Maybe I should brush up my knowledge.
It is OK for small amounts like paying a coffee or a few cents. Not reliable for larger values.
What's the "meta" like to find payment channels? That's the thing I found weirdest with LN, I needed to find a channel with enough funding. I presume the custodial LN providers just have their own payment channels?
Re: Nostr
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is noteworthy that zapps are based on lightning (which is Layer-2 for bitcoin), and similar in privacy as monero (and instantaneous).
It nowhere similar to Monero in privacy, because it was never private to begin with. Please read: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/state-of-bitcoin-light... And attention that Monero isn't the only privacy coin in town, but it is the one that is without doubt more attacked by governments due to its privacy. You don't see the same treatment for neither LN nor bitcoin, instead you see governments supporting it. Th…
Your link is from 2022 - blinded paths are now here in lightning. Async- and trampoline payments are around the corner. The article is heavily outdated.
I am involved in Lightning and run my own node - it is pretty much private enough for all sorts of micro payments for content creators. Not private enough for organized crime to move large sums, agreed.
You also forget to mention the 51% attack monero recently suffered. Lightning is bitcoin based and way more resilient to that.