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U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by PHGamer »

gpt5 wrote: post #205

Key details: 1. New, US-specific TikTok App, separate from the main TikTok app in content and users. 2. 80% owned by a U.S. investor consortium led by Oracle, Silver Lake, and Andreessen Horowitz, 20% by Bytedance. 3. Board will include one U.S. government–appointed director. 4. All U.S. user data would sit on Oracle infrastructure in the US. 5. Algorithm will be initially licensed, but has to be reengineered to comp…

government appointed commissars eh. i see were bringing it back eh. bet they will make sure it wont criticize a certain group of people lol

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Post by herbst »

8note wrote: post #553
gpt5 wrote: post #205

Key details: 1. New, US-specific TikTok App, separate from the main TikTok app in content and users. 2. 80% owned by a U.S. investor consortium led by Oracle, Silver Lake, and Andreessen Horowitz, 20% by Bytedance. 3. Board will include one U.S. government–appointed director. 4. All U.S. user data would sit on Oracle infrastructure in the US. 5. Algorithm will be initially licensed, but has to be reengineered to comp…

id like to see a similiar setup done in canada for each of the US big tech companies. owned by canadian oligarchs, with one CBC appointed director

I could see local variants of American data dealers for Europe as well. Facebook without all the privacy issues would be borderline useable, maybe.

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Post by komali2 »

glenstein wrote: post #493
imiric wrote: post #390

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> I wonder if the toxicity of the American culture wars can be contained this way. Huh? Are you not aware of US social media companies? Everything that's happening on TikTok is also happening on X, Facebook, Friendster, or whatever the kids are using these days. The only difference is that the TikTok algorithm promotes Chinese propaganda and ideology, and enriches the Chinese government and ByteDance. The US can't ha…

>This won't affect the American downward spiral a single iota. Broadly speaking, I think you're probably right that the dynamics on tiktok already exist elsewhere in social media. But I do think a practical upshot of it could be a version of Tiktok where you can criticize the Hong Kong takeover or Xinxianj labor camps or harassment of expatriate dissidents or Taiwan indepence openly and not have it soft-deplatformed.…

Just fwiw, Threads is basically the go-to for Taiwan stuff. It's absurdly popular in Taiwan and people recently used it to help organize one of the largest protests in Taiwan's history.

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Post by herbst »

yibg wrote: post #310
lenerdenator wrote: post #301

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That's how all ruling classes and governments throughout history have operated. It's now just mask-off in a country that people mistakenly thought didn't do that sort of thing.

Yea agree. The US used to be good at making the world believe they're all about freedom and rights etc. Now they don't seem to even bother trying anymore.

That has been a long while ago since they stopped trying to portrait this image

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Post by Jensson »

kelnos wrote: post #395
SilverbeardUnix wrote: post #207

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I'm not a fan of the administration by any means but a lot of democracies do this. Public/Private partnerships are commonplace in Europe.

Is it common for this sort of company, though? I can see public-private partnerships making sense for infrastructure, for example, but a social media company? That just sounds like a way for a country to censor and push propaganda.

Governments are much better at free speech than companies are, the US government is much more for free speech than Facebook or Google or Apple or Microsoft is etc.

So it is common for Governments to cooperate with media to ensure they remain independent and not just push corporate propaganda, not just to push government propaganda.

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Post by herbst »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #523
yibg wrote: post #310

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Yea agree. The US used to be good at making the world believe they're all about freedom and rights etc. Now they don't seem to even bother trying anymore.

I read a lot of anti-American comments like this one, mostly on American websites like Hacker News and Youtube. I'd say the anti-American comments outnumber the pro-American ones something like 10 to 1. The US may not be preaching about freedom and rights. But it seems to be practicing it, at least in the narrow sense that anti-American content isn't being censored or suppressed.

It's very likely that after a few of these comments you aren't getting a visa anymore. That is far from practiced freedom

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Post by herbst »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #584
js8 wrote: post #582

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Why are so worried, then, whether the world is anti-american or not? Why use that term, if you personally don't want see the world through nationalist optics? I saw a commenter the other day here claiming that in EU, there are lot of "anti-american" far left sentiments. They weren't able to elaborate, who exactly that is; as someone on the left, I don't see it. For example, I live in EU, I support DiEM25, and I am ag…

If people outside the US complain about what the US does, we should stop doing it. The fact that everyone complains about US foreign policy means we need to course-correct. No one complains about Swiss foreign policy. I think we agree, since we're both against NATO. Not sure why you're trying to argue with me.

According to swiss news orange man does in fact complain about swiss foreign policies to the American public.

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Post by platevoltage »

andy_ppp wrote: post #595

So basically devalues TikTok worldwide and TikTok US, presumably a UK/EU user won’t be seen in the US and vice versa? The EU is already preparing a fine I’m sure… such an incredibly strange deal IMO, I can’t work out why anyone would do it?

I cant figure out why someone would buy Twitter and completely change the name and branding but here we are.

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Post by herbst »

andy_ppp wrote: post #595

So basically devalues TikTok worldwide and TikTok US, presumably a UK/EU user won’t be seen in the US and vice versa? The EU is already preparing a fine I’m sure… such an incredibly strange deal IMO, I can’t work out why anyone would do it?

I am wondering if this is maybe very welcoming for the EU. I don't think the common American creator ads a lot of value to our culture at this point, so maybe nothing of value was lost really.
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