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Post by NaOH »

dang wrote: post #480
zzzeek wrote: post #476

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Point taken ! I'm sure you know my opinion here is partially from your criticism of my posts being "inflammatory" some time ago. Real things happening all day long right now are unfortunately inflammatory. We have a president literally making decisions based on how much pain and terror they will cause to his chosen Boogeyman, "the libs".

I hear you - the problem is that HN can't have a frontpage thread about all of these developments without turning into a current affairs site, which is not its mandate. So we end up taking a fairly small sample of the topics that arise. Many stories that HN doesn't cover are far more important than nearly everything on the front page. We know that and don't imply otherwise. Every user has their own list of which stor…

>There's another important aspect that I wrote about... and still haven't explained very well. In that post it's called "the temporal decay of interestingness in any sequence of related stories"—a clumsy phrase....

I think your immediately following phrase captures the idea well: "Curiosity withers under repetition," and that's compounded by topical subjects inherently being ephemeral.

Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Post by kelnos »

dismalaf wrote: post #69
tenuousemphasis wrote: post #53

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The FCC threatened to revoke ABC's broadcast license. That is government censorship, a direct attack on free speech.

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> Kimmel was straight up spreading misinformation about the shooter.

... which is free speech, regardless of whether or not we agree with it.

But sure, I guess this sort of misinformation is fine when the president says it in support of his own ideology, but not ok when someone like Kimmel does it (and read a sibling poster's quote of what Kimmel said... that wasn't misinformation, or even false).

You're correct that defamatory speech isn't protected, but the remedy for that is a civil suit, not threats from a FCC commissioner.

This is absolutely government censorship.

And not to play the whataboutism card, but if Kimmel should be taken off the air for misinformation, then all of Fox "News" should have been taken off the air years ago.

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Post by ggregoire »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #352

This feels like an overreach, maybe. The FCC does have the strange task of regulating "false information" [1], but in practice I don't think that gets invoked very often (I'm sure morning DJs would be fired en masse if they were actually held to the standard of proven, objective truth!) I'm hoping that this is just the high watermark, and not the new standard. [1] - https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/broadcastin…

The chair of the FCC went live on Fox News, of all channels, to argue that ABC is alienating his audience. [1]

You can't make this stuff up.

[1] https://www.foxnews.com/media/fcc-chair-brendan-carr-defends...

Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Post by jacquesm »

sparrish wrote: post #392
rolph wrote: post #113

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"Noem is bragging that she shot the family hunting dog because he was "worthless"; all he would do is "massacre chickens" at her hunting lodge, and tried to bite her. She also put down a "disgusting, musky billy goat" that lived around her compound. She said wanted to come clean and show how she can "responsibility". She bragged that the story of shooting her dog got her the top slot at ICE." this is so chillingly re…

Have you ever lived in a rural community? Putting useless or malicious animals down is merciful and common place and definitely not the making of serial killers.

It is. Until you start bragging about it. That changes the perspective completely. I've never heard a farmer or a vet brag about when they had to put down an animal.

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Post by wqaatwt »

JohnFen wrote: post #195
alpha_squared wrote: post #48

I'm unsure where we as a society go from here. The left's cancel culture resulted in the firing of private citizens from their jobs, or at least some reprimand. The right's cancel culture is the full weight of the federal government brought down against opposition, in stark violation of the First Amendment; that is, until the Supreme Court can find some new carve-out for why this isn't protected speech. Realistically…

We start by rejecting the cartoon labels of "left" and "right" as if all conservatives or all liberals believe the same things and think the same way. The left/right division is a longstanding technique intended to keep us divided. The reality is that outside of the actual extremists, liberals and conservatives agree on 80% of everything. We can, and need to, start there. We are all Americans and have to realize that…

Statistically almost everyone who is a “conservative” supports Trump whatever he does, though? With very little real infighting

The “left” on the other hand seems way more heterogeneous in that sense (which does seem like a significant political disadvantage in practical terms).

Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Post by hoten »

refurb wrote: post #372
hoten wrote: post #250

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The government, via the FFC, used their expansive power to force a private company to censor speech. I'm not familiar with what you are quoting specifically, but that refrain is typically understood to mean "the first amendment doesn’t protect against consequences ... except from the government".

I mean the FCC has rules around the content that can be put on public airwaves. It has been held up in court. Whether the FCC’s actions are also legal here I don’t know. But it goes to show the insanity of US politics that one can make an argument yesterday then argue against the same point the next. But then again, I get the sense it’s all one circus with everyone well aware of what’s going on. It’s basically a perf…

It's an insincere argument that government censorship is equivalent to public shaming or canceling (or however you want to describe the "left"'s actions here). When the government does it, it's authoritarian. When a group of people do it, it's freedom of expression. There's a discussion to be had about how it may go too far or be extrajudicial (people being fired for non criminal activity), but it's markedly different from the force of the government.

This isn't some even handed application of the FCC's policies against hate speech (if that's how one cares to describe Kimmel's comments) or misinformation (is there even such a policy?).

You don't have to look far to see this is politically motivated: just this week a Fox host suggested that the homeless should just be exterminated. I don't believe the FCC has threatened Fox's broadcast license in an attempt to influence Fox to fire him

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Post by jacquesm »

dang wrote: post #480
zzzeek wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Point taken ! I'm sure you know my opinion here is partially from your criticism of my posts being "inflammatory" some time ago. Real things happening all day long right now are unfortunately inflammatory. We have a president literally making decisions based on how much pain and terror they will cause to his chosen Boogeyman, "the libs".

I hear you - the problem is that HN can't have a frontpage thread about all of these developments without turning into a current affairs site, which is not its mandate. So we end up taking a fairly small sample of the topics that arise. Many stories that HN doesn't cover are far more important than nearly everything on the front page. We know that and don't imply otherwise. Every user has their own list of which stor…

> HN can't have a frontpage thread about all of these developments without turning into a current affairs site, which is not its mandate.

The times are such that I don't think that policy is tenable.

And I hope we can return soon enough to a time when that policy will be tenable.

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Post by vjjsejj »

ars wrote: post #485
suzdude wrote: post #368

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No, that's the reason to hate Kirk, not a reason to shoot him. What in his upbringing led him to believe the way to handle the situation was with violence is unclear.

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Certainly not more creative compared to painting someone who openly supports school shootings as some sort of a martyr.

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Post by throwmeaway222 »

wqaatwt wrote: post #510
lupusreal wrote: post #399

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> I am largely neutral on this particular assassination, as I knew almost nothing about Mr. Kirk prior to his departure (just name recognition & basic political associations). This seems confusing to me. The default "neutral" position on any murder, most of all when you don't know much about the victim, is that murder is a horrible thing, is it not? Is that what you mean, or do you mean you aren't sure if this was go…

Well thousands and thousands of people are being murdered all the time. You (or anyone) couldn’t care less about almost every single one of them. So why single out this one? I mean who cares about school shootings? One nutjob murdering another nutjob on the other hand…

I think a lot of people care about shootings and murders. Almost every shooting that you turn on the tv for entertainment, at some local level, a lot of people are affected and those communities hold vigils, etc...

At least they used to. I've lived through the 80s and 90s as a kid, so when someone was murdered - even someone that no one knew - everyone in the country cried.

These days people's minds are so used to it, we're all warped. We were not meant to handle information at that level, so, effectively, we're broken.

It's why there is Tyler Robinson and Luigi and Decarlos. We used to have a country that this kind of thing was so outrageous that it was rare.

And what's even crazier is in the 80s and 90s is that everyone had guns. Even life-long democrats! There wasn't even a movement to get rid of guns. (Well of course there was but it was basically 3 people)

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Post by kelnos »

adamredwoods wrote: post #328
catlover76 wrote: post #244

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Shouldn't most of Fox News be off the air then? And most podcasts, left or right?

Fox news was rightfully sued. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Voting_Systems_v._Fox...

And what's changed because of it? Nothing?
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