U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China • Hacker News Board

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by acdha » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 6:32 PM UTC

bananalychee wrote: post #191

acdha wrote: post #172

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Ignoring the genocide topic for the moment, it’s relevant from a speech perspective: that’s an alliance of hard-right groups who have spent the last year conflating criticism of Israel with anti-semitism and trying to shut down voices which disagree with them (e.g. cuts to research grants based on unrelated actions on campus). Consolidating a large chunk of the information space under a unified group opposed to free…

Your post is fair, but it's not how I read the OP, which seems less concerned with consolidation of power than with people supportive of Israel having power. And while I appreciate that criticism of Israel is not anti-semitism, believing that Israel is a legitimate state that has the right to self-defense is all it takes to be labelled as a "Zionist", and at that point it's practically a euphemism for "Jew". I'm not…

That’s fair, I can’t say I know their inner thoughts either. Personally I’m concerned about the political unity and lack of respect for other people’s freedom of speech. We’re healthier with a robust public debate.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 6:32 PM UTC

schnable wrote: post #148

volleyball wrote: post #41

So Larry Ellison just took over Paramount group which is now looking to bid for Warner Brothers and CNN. And now Ellison is going to take over TikTok. Paramount(being run by Larry Ellison's son) is looking to install the pro-israel-propagandist who has variously masqueraded as a liberal, a conservative and anti-woke free-speech champion, Bari Weiss[1] as CBS's editor-in-chief or co-president[2]. It also bears mention…

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Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by fluidcruft » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 6:33 PM UTC

schnable wrote: post #148

volleyball wrote: post #41

So Larry Ellison just took over Paramount group which is now looking to bid for Warner Brothers and CNN. And now Ellison is going to take over TikTok. Paramount(being run by Larry Ellison's son) is looking to install the pro-israel-propagandist who has variously masqueraded as a liberal, a conservative and anti-woke free-speech champion, Bari Weiss[1] as CBS's editor-in-chief or co-president[2]. It also bears mention…

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Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by SilverbeardUnix » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 6:33 PM UTC

g8oz wrote: post #80

TikTok dealt a serious blow to the Western consensus manufacturing apparatus. We saw that with Gaza especially. This deal is a step towards taking back control.

Oracle owned Tiktok with right-wing and Trump friend Larry Ellison at the helm is a step in the right direction? That's crazy.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by gpt5 » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 6:34 PM UTC

Key details:

1. New, US-specific TikTok App, separate from the main TikTok app in content and users.

2. 80% owned by a U.S. investor consortium led by Oracle, Silver Lake, and Andreessen Horowitz, 20% by Bytedance.

3. Board will include one U.S. government–appointed director.

4. All U.S. user data would sit on Oracle infrastructure in the US.

5. Algorithm will be initially licensed, but has to be reengineered to comply with the law.

Not discussed - whether the US tiktok app is allowed to compete with TikTok outside of the US. My guess is NO.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by tinyhouse » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 6:34 PM UTC

volleyball wrote: post #41

So Larry Ellison just took over Paramount group which is now looking to bid for Warner Brothers and CNN. And now Ellison is going to take over TikTok. Paramount(being run by Larry Ellison's son) is looking to install the pro-israel-propagandist who has variously masqueraded as a liberal, a conservative and anti-woke free-speech champion, Bari Weiss[1] as CBS's editor-in-chief or co-president[2]. It also bears mention…

What's the problem with being pro-israel? Everyone needs to be pro-whatever-you-prefer? I'm pro-israel too.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by SilverbeardUnix » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 6:34 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #196

With, apparently, a board member appointed by the Trump administration. The U.S Steel deal included three board seats, but the Intel deal did not include any. This is starting to look like the way China does things, with the central government having a financial stake in important companies.

I'm not a fan of the administration by any means but a lot of democracies do this. Public/Private partnerships are commonplace in Europe.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by bananalychee » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 6:36 PM UTC

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #179

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Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by tinyhouse » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 6:37 PM UTC

acdha wrote: post #172

schnable wrote: post #148

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Ignoring the genocide topic for the moment, it’s relevant from a speech perspective: that’s an alliance of hard-right groups who have spent the last year conflating criticism of Israel with anti-semitism and trying to shut down voices which disagree with them (e.g. cuts to research grants based on unrelated actions on campus). Consolidating a large chunk of the information space under a unified group opposed to free…

What the other side is doing exactly? They try to ban every Israeli, including composers, athletes, scientists etc. It's much worse in my opnion.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Post by djeastm » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 6:37 PM UTC

misnome wrote: post #149

slg wrote: post #127

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In 2020, 22.4% of the US population voted for Trump. In 2024, 22.7% of the population voted for Trump. I hate how people draw drastic conclusions regarding what the American people want based off the shift of less than half a percentage point of the population.

Everyone who chooses not to vote is voting “I don’t care” and so voted for whoever won.

I don't think that necessarily follows. An abstention is a voting choice that doesn't imply support for one choice or another in the minds of the voter, regardless of the result.