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That jovial overly friendly tone is a give away. Like to thinks its writing style is HILARIOUSLY clever
the reason LLMs use that jovial, overly friendly tone is because it's so common in journalism and marketing. this article does smell of ChatGPT, but there's absolutely no way to know for sure. people using LLMs annoy me just as much as people who are so certain that they can tell the difference a smart person can make ChatGPT sounds completely authentic, and a very boring and middle of the road writer who uses em-das…
Massive Attack turns concert into facial recognition surveillance experiment
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#122From the video this appears to be face detection, with some cute strings attached at random to the detected faces. I don't see evidence of facial recognition.
how did the code crop faces without facial recognition?
It detects objects and gives you the bounding box. Then you draw a square on it and add a label.
No fancy LLM needed, just old fashioned machine learning models.
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#123> The band deployed live facial recognition technology that captured and analyzed attendees during their recent performance. I think more drama has been created around this than is necessary. Based on the video, the real-time projected visitor's faces were not analyzed. They were simply shown with a random description flag attached, such as "energetic," "compassionate," "inspiring," "fitness influencer," or "cloud wa…
> It seems to be an artistic provocation showing what a real people analysis could look like. I that case they should have used descriptions like "gay", "muslim", "poor", "bipolar", "twice divorced", "low quality hire", "easy to scam", "both parents dead", "rude to staff", "convicted felon", "not sexually active", "takes Metformin", "spends > $60 on alcohol a month", "dishonest", etc. None of the people who actually…
That would certainly better demonstrate the scary dimension of mass video surveillance and face recognition. However, not many people would buy tickets for the next Massive Attack show after being lectured like this.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Public photography is not a crime, nor should it be. However, that doesn't mean your likeness can be used for just any purpose.
The laws for this were written when "public photography" was someone with a film camera. It was maybe valid in the digital camera era. But now I can point a camera at a crowd and It will: - count the number of people and animals there - give me an estimated gender for each - analyse the sentiment of each person - save their facial features so I can find "Male-sg76fg" in future photos automatically - store the GPS loc…
(David Brin's been beating this drum for about three decades now - I doubt I could say anything he hasn't already said. https://www.davidbrin.com/transparentsociety.html)
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#125> The band deployed live facial recognition technology that captured and analyzed attendees during their recent performance. I think more drama has been created around this than is necessary. Based on the video, the real-time projected visitor's faces were not analyzed. They were simply shown with a random description flag attached, such as "energetic," "compassionate," "inspiring," "fitness influencer," or "cloud wa…
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#126Feels like this title could benefit from clarification that 'Massive Attack' refers to the band and not the concept of a large scale attack; perhaps "Band 'Massive Attack' Turns Concert into Facial Recognition Surveillance Experiment"
Anyone who’s seen The Matrix has been exposed to Massive Attack in one of the most famous scenes from the movie: https://youtu.be/6IDT3MpSCKI In fact, I recall many songs from The Matrix being played nonstop back in my teenage gamer IRC days. Maybe even by others than just me
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
The laws for this were written when "public photography" was someone with a film camera. It was maybe valid in the digital camera era. But now I can point a camera at a crowd and It will: - count the number of people and animals there - give me an estimated gender for each - analyse the sentiment of each person - save their facial features so I can find "Male-sg76fg" in future photos automatically - store the GPS loc…
If the tech is there, in the long run the only question is: Do you want government to have it, or everyone to have it? Privacy may have been a temporary phenomenon - a side-effect of the anonymity of cities/large crowds. You didn't have it in the mediaeval village, and you probably won't have it in the global village. (David Brin's been beating this drum for about three decades now - I doubt I could say anything he h…
That is a strange dichotomy, "government vs everyone". You miss the much more important large private organizations.
Government can at least be held accountable, if voters are willing. What the private orgs do you don't even have a chance to know about without a (tragic doomed person) whistleblower. Even the "evil" government actions heavily uses those unaccountable private entities for much of the dirty work.
Also "everyone" is useless. What use is any of it to individuals? Weapons or information. The fight is among deep complex organizations. Individuals - unless part of some network - may as well not exist. The individual with a firearm as a protection against government comes to mind, even in groups they'll be blown away anytime the organized large groups even sneeze towards them.
Another example is who uses the law: Any large company or even the government is much much MUCH more effective, no matter how much an individual has law on their side, at least when the large organization is willing to drag out the fight until the individual or small group runs out of resources.
If you want to achieve something, ORGANIZE! Otherwise you just throw yourself into the grinder, at best even providing reasons and justification to the other side.
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The fact that people were uncomfortable with simply having their pictures taken and shown without their knowledge gives lie to the idea that "You're in a public place—of course you have no right to privacy." It's great to be given the chance to face your principles.
Public photography is not a crime, nor should it be. However, that doesn't mean your likeness can be used for just any purpose.
See https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/law-regarding-photogra...
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the tech is there, in the long run the only question is: Do you want government to have it, or everyone to have it? Privacy may have been a temporary phenomenon - a side-effect of the anonymity of cities/large crowds. You didn't have it in the mediaeval village, and you probably won't have it in the global village. (David Brin's been beating this drum for about three decades now - I doubt I could say anything he h…
> Do you want government to have it, or everyone to have it? That is a strange dichotomy, "government vs everyone". You miss the much more important large private organizations. Government can at least be held accountable, if voters are willing. What the private orgs do you don't even have a chance to know about without a (tragic doomed person) whistleblower. Even the "evil" government actions heavily uses those unac…
Totally agreed. Even if that network is as simple as posting something to social media and watching it go viral, it's still a network.
I thought about breaking commerical interests out separately in my post, but didn't want to overcomplicate. An example would be the V888 form in the UK, which allows you to request the details of the licenced keeper of a vehicle, as long as you can show "reasonable cause". The reasonable causes are, of course, mostly commercial.