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Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Sony tries out so many different types of products too across their entire lineup. They have made some memorable handhelds over the years, even their eink readers were special.

They also pulled a bait-and-switch with Linux on PS3...

No doubt.

I was referring more to their variety of electronics in so many areas.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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What I don't get (plz help me) is why out of a sudden this vendors close up their phones and why is Google going this way? What's their intend?

I think it's an unintended effect of Europe regulations. Google saw Apple exploring what's the bare minimum to comply with EU regulations regarding openness. And Google is setting their bar there.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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> prevents me from taking screenshots if an app author doesn't want me to The most frustrating part about this "feature" is that you don't know it's enabled until the screenshot is taken and you're left with a picture of nothing. That and some app authors thinking they're protecting you with this (referring to banking apps in particular)

Now consider the fact that an arbitrary other app can take a screenshot clandestinely, via API. Would you like it to happen when you're looking at the summary of your accounts? your list of credit card numbers? The problem is that certain actions should only be acceptable if initiated by the user, physically. Think of the way Ctrl+Alt+Del works in Windows. This, of course, is not possible if you don't have enough fin…

That’s why taking screenshots should be a runtime permission thing.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Yes, I used SailfishOS as a daily driver since ~2014 until last year when I moved to the Furi FLX1. The FLX1 has been my daily driver since. SailfishOS is much more polished, but it's not fully FOSS, and it follows upstream much less closely. FLX1 is basically in-sync with Debian testing, with the exception of kernel.

Are you able to run android apps aswell? Without whatsapp you're pretty much locked out from most communication around here...

According to their FAQ (https://furilabs.com/faq/), yes

  > FuriOS allows for running apps inside a container running Android codenamed Andromeda. This container has complete integration with the host and makes all Android applications work like native applications

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Isn't Android... Linux? It's not "gotcha", just... there are many clones of Android that work without Google Play, because Android (AOSP) is based on Linux. Why not just use that? What does "linux phone" add?

Google still controls direction of AOSP development.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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> prevents me from taking screenshots if an app author doesn't want me to The most frustrating part about this "feature" is that you don't know it's enabled until the screenshot is taken and you're left with a picture of nothing. That and some app authors thinking they're protecting you with this (referring to banking apps in particular)

In some sense they are. But being protected either from a consequence of my own stupidity or a consequence of their lack of security. I think the worst part of all is that these "bandaids" are being used in place of actual security. I don't need to be protected from my own stupidity nor do I need security theater.

I think the threat model here is that a different, malicious app (compromised, installed accidentally or by the means of social engineering) might take screenshots of your screen and forward them to take advantage of you. You can file this under one's "own stupidity" as well, sure, but in the end they're not protecting you, they're protecting themselves, because banks might be liable for these kind of things, and by imposing these restrictions, they're reducing the amount of fraud and thus improve their bottom line.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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It does have a particular meaning, but it is one that's not relevant in this context, and it's probably narrower than what the poster intended. For example, Belgium is not a nation state, but I'm sure the GGP would be surprised by an answer like "no, it wasn't a nation state, Belgium asked them to do it".

What do you mean by 'Belgium is not a nation state', if i may ask?

Belgium may be used as a stand-in for Brussels, i.e. the European Union.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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I want to send my new IBAN to my company, I can, no screenshot allowed on the screen with banking information. So I need to log on their website to do it. At least my new bank allows such screenshot and to copy account information directly from the app.

There is a special place in hell for people providing non copyable text information in the form of screenshots.

Modern life is full of these tiny inconveniences. It usually involves some sort of "smart" devices, like light switches, stoves, elevator buttons, etc. Each one of which could be forgivable, but in sum it's like death by a thousand paper cuts.

User hostile UI in the name of security is particularly bad: we are supposed to type unique and complicated passwords in text fields without being able to see what we type, and if we get it wrong, we are put in timeout for two seconds. Citrix Netscaler nowadays apparently wants to be extra secure and shows you the most generic error message if you have a typo in either your password or user name and just tells you to "try again later", so you do until you lock yourself out. It's madness.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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What I don't get (plz help me) is why out of a sudden this vendors close up their phones and why is Google going this way? What's their intend?

It's not sudden, and it's about control. You probably don't remember a time when you could switch/remove batteries from your phone. All manufacturers removed this ability.

I have a Volla Phone running Ubuntu Touch. In order to insert my SIM and SD cards I had to take off the back cover (which is intended and I just had to pull on a small gap in a corner of the device) which also made it very obvious that it's easy to take out the battery should I have the need to swap it out.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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This is what I'm thinking. Android supports multi-user, right? So a cheap Android POS shared with the family that gets left at home most of the time. I also think just not using a phone as much is a viable solution. People are addicted to their phones so it would feel like intercision at first. But freedom is worth it. Never sacrifice freedom for convenience. You actually don't need to look up stuff on Wikipedia at a…

> I also think just not using a phone as much is a viable solution. Most European banks force you to use your phone for 2FA if you want to pay your bills, no matter if you're sending the transaction from your computer or your phone.

Yeah the point of this subthread is having a shitty device just for that crap. I don't need to pay my bills at a moment's notice from anywhere in the world. In fact, I refuse to.
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