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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by vintagedave »

s09dfhks wrote: post #295

Is there anywhere to find a comprehensive list of updates made "Under the hood"? Sure the new UI is cool and all, but what are they doing to make the OS better? In a previous life I was a mac administrator and every update, apple would remove some binary and suddenly we couldn't natively make calls to LDAP or something.

That’s why I miss the old Ars Technica reviews.

The closest I’ve seen is this Apple PDF and I’m not sure it’s what you’re after: https://www.apple.com/os/pdf/All_New_Features_macOS_Tahoe_Se...

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by rcleveng »

nailer wrote: post #250
rcleveng wrote: post #156

I always considered the butterfly keyboard[1] the point at which Apple's design system jumped the shark as it focused on it's own aesthetics vs. building quality and reliable products. Funny enough, it's the only time period since 1999 that I was apple free for a while. My MBP broke. I've previously had a butterfly keyboard on my work mac, and it got replaced on a regular bases. While unfortunate for a work computer,…

> Funny enough, it's the only time period since 1999 that I was apple free for a while. Same here. After the butterfly keyboard era, I spent about 5 years with Windows 10/11 and powershell, then WSL. There's still a lot of annoyance in the Windows space (NTFS is slow due to all the filesystem filters), but Linux package managers are much better than homebrew and WSL does make Windows a pretty reasonable developer sys…

Yes, WSL2 is quite good. WSL1 was even a step up, but WSL2 gives me an environment that I can use quite well and be productive with.

The NTFS speed thing is kinda amazing. I use cursor on MacOS. My friend has a windows laptop which is likely 2-3x more powerful than my Macbook Air. I can install a new cursor in 2-3s tops, on the Windows machine it takes minutes. Wow. It's all file copying speed.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by vintagedave »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #61
pants2 wrote: post #27

How has Apple still not addressed many basic UI issues, such as menu bar icons disappearing behind the notch with no way to see them?

Menu extras were never intended to be treated like Windows tray items. For the earlier portion of OS X’s life, there wasn’t even a public API to create them and required a hack and a private API, and the current API is intended for ephemeral menu extras that disappear when their host app isn’t running. In short, the menubar isn’t designed for users to collect menu extras like Pokémon.

Sure, but for twenty years that’s not how they’ve been used.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by nine_k »

rcarmo wrote: post #211
smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

I count four different corner radius sizes currently on my screen, which is maddening. Apple has a thing against people with OCD. Or taste. The thing is horribly wasteful of screen real estate, and as someone who’s been writing a Mac blog for over two decades, I am so happy I started using Fedora two years ago—GNOME has its flaws, but it looks nicer than Tahoe.

I always thought that Gnome developers are imitating macOS. Not copying blindly, but following the ideas and intents.

Finally I hear from real users that the Gnome team has not just reached parity, but has actually exceeded their source of inspiration. (Partly due to the degradation of the latter, but still.)

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by piskov »

hk1337 wrote: post #265
_2d30 wrote: post #233

I decided to install this and the updated iOS today to see how I felt about it. My very initial impressions on MacOS: (1) I like the look of Safari better and the Mail app compared to the prior designs. They both look really nice to me and the Mail app especially looks like a huge improvement in terms of design unification with some of the features like summaries and unsubscribe options that looked bolted on in the p…

I really like the Apps change. Instead of opening up the icons full screen, it opens in a spotlight search window.

Which is shit because with launchpad you had muscle memory.

Imagine you no longer have pages with icons on your phone and instead only have a search bar

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by Telemakhos »

gcanyon wrote: post #354
basisword wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest surprise to me from this whole beta period is that a significant number of people used Launchpad. I have absolutely zero idea why when Spotlight has existed for more than 20 years. Why would you ever want to click and page through a giant iPhone screen on a desktop/laptop computer?

> click and page through a giant iPhone screen 1. Launchpad filters based on what you type. You don't have to page through things 2. As soon as you type anything, the first hit is selected and the return key launches it 3. Launchpad shows nothing but apps. As an app launcher, it's fantastic. If Launchpad is gone I'm going to be sad.

Launchpad is not actually gone: it's now a sub-unit of Spotlight.

I still have an M1 Macbook Pro with touch strip, and my Launchpad touch strip button still works, bringing up Spotlight but with a predicate that makes it search only ./Applications and ~/Applications.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by Crontab »

dsego wrote: post #181
Crontab wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far the only thing bothering me so far is the way the tabs look (in Finder and Safari). And I did turn on the menu bar background.

Have the tabs in Finder always been slow to appear? Right now there is a noticeable delay from when I press cmd+tab to when tab animates itself into existence, reminds me of lag in windows 11.

For me it is very fast to appear. I am on a M3 MacBook Pro.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by piskov »

anon7000 wrote: post #334

(This about iOS, not Mac, but obviously a lot is similar.) I might be in the minority on hn, but I’m using iOS 26 for the first time today and am pretty happy with the new design. For one, it’s a lot snappier and faster. I’m glad they finally did something about the slow-ass animations iOS had in a lot of places. Secondly, it has a lot more personality. I enjoy that. Thirdly, they finally moved more basic UI stuff cl…

The worst thing is Safari removing all tabs button.

Quick way is to pinch out with two fingers but that is impossible one-handed.

Another is to swipe up (or left/right) on address bar but that often triggers app switching because he indicator is 3mm lower

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by STKFLT »

srid wrote: post #330
viraptor wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The battery life and power/efficiency of my m4 pro is insane. They're coming. Look for AMD Strix Halo chips. They're in the comparably comfortable efficiency range.

> AMD Strix Halo chips Do you happen to know any laptop that has a) equivalent screen quality (retina resolution), b) keyboard, c) trackpad but with full Linux support where all hardware pheripherals just work?

The ThinkPad X1 series usually have great linux support and you can option them with 2.8k@120Hz OLED panels, which at 14" lands between the Air and the 14" Pro in terms of PPI. I have a couple generations old X1 Yoga and all of the hardware worked out of the box with Manjaro and Debian, including the touchscreen and active stylus.

People usually buy them for the keyboards and trackpoint, but imo the touchpad is still pretty solid. It is a bit small on account of the trackpoint buttons taking up vertical real estate but its pretty responsive and multi-touch gestures work perfectly in my experience. I believe newer ones have larger trackpads than mine, though still not as large as a similarly sized mac.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by brandon272 »

commandersaki wrote: post #138
asadotzler wrote: post #123

Apple no longer cares about disabled people. Transparent UI, with controls sitting on top of arbitrary and changing content can NEVER be legible/discernible. Apple knows this, but fashion was more important than function and they decided, "who cares about disabled people, anyway." Microsoft learned this lesson back in the Vista era but Apple's charging ahead with this terrible set of changes that will literally disab…

I've been submitting endless feedback about how Liquid Arse breaks dark mode during the beta. I keep seeing dark text on dark backgrounds all over the place in both Tahoe and iOS 26, for example: https://imgur.com/a/R3DTcSd I've pretty much given up with submitting feedback though.

CarPlay has dark text on dark backgrounds in the latest version of iOS. And I’m talking about stock apps like Messages, not some obscure text buried somewhere deep in the operating system.

Absolutely brutal.

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