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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by runjake »

smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

Can you post screenshots of what you mean?

I see grossly rounded corners in some apps, but I don't see the other stuff like gaps in window corners for full screen apps. I may have some config bit flipped that has disabled those.

Yeah, the new corner radius is ugly but by and large, it's not much different than before, from what I see so far.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by burnt-resistor »

asadotzler wrote: post #123

Apple no longer cares about disabled people. Transparent UI, with controls sitting on top of arbitrary and changing content can NEVER be legible/discernible. Apple knows this, but fashion was more important than function and they decided, "who cares about disabled people, anyway." Microsoft learned this lesson back in the Vista era but Apple's charging ahead with this terrible set of changes that will literally disab…

This is what happens when designers are treated as royalty and are told that their new "clothes" are "awesome" all the time.

It's also a symptom of consumption addiction where there is demand/motivation for drastic, superficial changes that don't really offer any value except to those who are consumed by the need for constant change for change's sake.

Apple used to care more about disabled people because of how the Accessibility APIs worked and were required for most apps.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by dsego »

pants2 wrote: post #27

How has Apple still not addressed many basic UI issues, such as menu bar icons disappearing behind the notch with no way to see them?

Notice how on the menu bar, when you click File and then the dropdown appears, you can move the mouse arrow to the right (without clicking) over Edit and now the Edit menu shows up. But the same doesn't work on the status menu icons, if I click on the volume icon and move the mouse, nothing happens, the volume menu stays open, even if hover over the battery indicator. So many little things like this that never worked consistently.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by p_ing »

mrweasel wrote: post #25
ryandrake wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been so long since Apple has released anything in either iOS or macOS that excited me as a user. I don't seem to be their target customer anymore. The only reason I even have to "upgrade" to a higher version number is how quickly app developers (including Apple themselves) drop support for older OS's. My iPhone which is stuck on iOS 15 runs just as well as the day I bought it, but every other app I download tell…

Isn't that true for pretty much every OS? The feature set we need to be able to do our jobs and computing hobbies have been available for two decades. Operating systems like Debian is sufficiently boring that I can just upgrade and continue computing. macOS upgrades have become a small gamble, the stuff that I depend on may not continue to work, or at least it will take a good deal of work. There are however no reaso…

Microsoft still manages to do 'cool stuff' at the kernel level; IO Rings, VBS, Rust, etc.

Only thing I see on the Apple' what's new that looks interesting is Metal updates. Most of the rest is UI.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by Ecco »

I feel like we’ve gone full circle. For decades Apple hardware sucked and was badly overpriced, but you paid the price to enjoy running Mac OS X. Now Apple makes amazing hardware (especially laptops) but the drawback is that you have to run macOS on them.

I really wish Asahi Linux had more support, I would have bought a couple M4 Minis.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by rcleveng »

I always considered the butterfly keyboard[1] the point at which Apple's design system jumped the shark as it focused on it's own aesthetics vs. building quality and reliable products.

Funny enough, it's the only time period since 1999 that I was apple free for a while. My MBP broke. I've previously had a butterfly keyboard on my work mac, and it got replaced on a regular bases. While unfortunate for a work computer, this was not acceptable as my personal one with no spares)

Thankfully Apple returned to making great products that work, and I bought the next MBP.

Seeing that Apple's returning to it's "design roots"[2], I really hope they do not loose sight of building great products that work well for their customers.

[1] https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/Butterfly_keyboard

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-09-14/apple-...

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by dsego »

cyberax wrote: post #105

They didn't even fix the horizontal resizing in the Settings app. Sigh.

I still need to use the Scroll Reverser because the scroll direction (aka natural scrolling) can only be turned on or off globally, not per pointing device. I love natural scrolling on the trackpad, but it doesn't make sense on the mouse scroll wheel.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by IshKebab »

cassianoleal wrote: post #94
IshKebab wrote: post #87

Have they got any further on their roadmap to only allowing apps from the Mac store in this release?

What evidence do you have that they are trying to do that?

All of the major commercial OS vendors are trying to do that. Apple started it with iOS. Google have gradually been tightening the net. Microsoft are furthest away but they have the longest legacy of freedom so they the furthest to go.

Obviously they aren't going to publicly say that's their intent, but you don't have to be a genius to read between the lines.

As for why... money and power are pretty big motivators.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by OGEnthusiast »

The reason Liquid Glass on macOS specifically is getting so much blowback is that it isn't just updating the translucency effect with the new glass refraction effect - they've also increased the border radius of most windows, increased paddings in toolbars, sidebars, etc. and overall made the UI much less information-dense, which is wild for a desktop OS. If they had just changed the translucency effect, I think this would be much better received.

Personally, I'm sticking with macOS Sequoia for now, and if macOS 27 goes even more in the less-information-density direction, I'll probably fully move off of macOS, which is a shame as a 20-year Apple user.

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