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Is the takeaway message..that the Obama administration says we have permission to put whatever we want on Youtube as long as it doesn't offend Islam?
The United States is a nation argued into existence, in part by blatantly inflammatory speech. It's in our national DNA, and it should stay there.
Kids. Have they never heard of the Streisand effect. It's pretty much in one place now. Take it down and it'll be back up 10 fold on youtube mirrored, and then also on other services like vimeo etc. You can't kill these things. Asking just looks native
Pretty sure the administration knows they cannot kill the video. Explaining this to people we have to deal with diplomatically is another issue.
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... and that would be illegal for them to do, and for good reason. The solution to bad speech is not violence. It's more speech.
I never said violence was the solution, straw man much? My point is that freedom of speech doesn't mean your speech never has negative consequences. Nonviolent, legal example: you insult a customer and your boss fires you on the spot. What is the common thread? None of this really has anything to do with freedom of speech in the west. It's a massive red herring that people keep bringing up in this thread.
As I commented on this issue earlier, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4511247 "As we read news reports about violent responses to the video, from people who seem to be quite confused about who produced the video, it's important for all of us to remember the basic issue here. The basic issue is whether people in free countries, like most readers of Hacker News, are going to be able to enjoy the right of free speec…
Seriously? People living in fear of terrorists is actually a feat mostly of US politicians, inciting it and using it to manipulate the masses.
If people were rational, and weren't purposely deceived by people on TV, they would be more scared of driving than terrorists, since more people die in car accidents every year, than all people ever killed in terrorist attacks.
The United States is a nation argued into existence, in part by blatantly inflammatory speech. It's in our national DNA, and it should stay there.
What about blatantly inflammatory homophobia and holocaust denial? Those are also blatantly inflammatory speech covered by freedom of speech, but it doesn't mean they have to be socially acceptable.
As I commented on this issue earlier, http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4511247 "As we read news reports about violent responses to the video, from people who seem to be quite confused about who produced the video, it's important for all of us to remember the basic issue here. The basic issue is whether people in free countries, like most readers of Hacker News, are going to be able to enjoy the right of free speec…
Freedom of speech =/= freedom from consequences. You can go all Fred Phelps and tell some marine's family he's in hell now at his funeral and that they are inbred hillbillies that could never have invented the internet but don't expect shock on my part if his dad and brothers decide that would be a good time to beat the shit out of you.
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"suggests an image of cultural superiority" I think it is safe to say that something is wrong, I don't accept that it is statistically insignificant noise of crazy and misogyny. I am not sure exactly what is wrong though. It clearly is not race, and I don't think anybody on this website would think it was. Similarly, I don't think it is religion; their religion and science/progress historically have not been mutually…
Moderate Islam has been compatible with science (well scientism) in the past but you can't reason from the specific to the general. A fundamentalist/hyper-dogmatic flavor of any belief system is by it's nature an intolerant breeding ground for ignorance and xenophobia. "something is wrong" This is where people tend to, wrongly, paint with the biggest brushes.
I mention this only to emphasise that I have no natural inclination to defend Islam. I just really don't see it being the root cause in this situation.
It seems to me that the religion is more a product of an unhealthy culture. It is no coincidence that the wants, desires, and prejudices of gods so often resemble that of their followers. This religion did not appear out of thin air, it was borne of the culture it resembles. It is when you see the religion spreading other contexts (primarily location or time) that you see it become "moderate". People ignore the parts they don't like.
The religion isn't causing this. At best, I'll concede that it is acting as a conduit to siphon an obsolete and brutal culture from the past into the present. I do maintain that it is culture that is wrong here, regardless of where it comes from or how it got here.
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"suggests an image of cultural superiority" I think it is safe to say that something is wrong, I don't accept that it is statistically insignificant noise of crazy and misogyny. I am not sure exactly what is wrong though. It clearly is not race, and I don't think anybody on this website would think it was. Similarly, I don't think it is religion; their religion and science/progress historically have not been mutually…
Socio-economic standing. Like it always is.
Google is a business and it has every right to operate as it sees fit. Being a company that is headquartered in the US, I can't believe it would censor this video at all in any jurisdiction. It's not out of character for them considering the lengths it went to appease China but I don't think that was the right decision either. I would hope that if I was ever faced with a similar situation I would choose based on my c…
moral and respect towards other religions. jews is backing google, i've said enuf.