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Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux

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Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux

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I thought that MS made a stack of cash from Android via patent extortion methods?

You have any evidence for that?

"Microsoft has received five times more income from Android than from Windows Phone" (http://www.asymco.com/2011/05/27/microsoft-has-received-five...)

Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux

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Where would Intel be without Microsoft today??? They need windows to continue to succeed. ARM chips are the enemy of Intel, thus IOS and Android/linux are the enemy of Intel.

Intel was highly successful long before Microsoft came around.

Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux

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Option 3 has no basis since Intel doesn't need to write a single line of code to get their new chip supported under Linux, they just need to release the specs. Which brings us to: 4) Just like many graphics chips, this processor does some black magic to boost performance and Intel doesn't want to give any clues to competitors by releasing specs and/or open drivers.

Regarding "Just like many graphics chips, this processor does some black magic to boost performance and Intel doesn't want to give any clues to competitors..." One reason it's common for GPU makers to be secretive is that there is a very big risk that GPUs and their drivers violate patents, and the makers of these products want to make it as difficult as possible to ascertain whether patents are being violated. They…

> One reason it's common for GPU makers to be secretive is that there is a very big risk that GPUs and their drivers violate patents, and the makers of these products want to make it as difficult as possible to ascertain whether patents are being violated. They won't even broach the topic because that would draw them in to willful infringement.

This is another example of how patents are directly counterproductive to their originally intended goal of encouraging open innovation. Patents are not just creating a minefield, but are encouraging everyone to be more secretive at the same time.

Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux

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I thought that MS made a stack of cash from Android via patent extortion methods?

You have any evidence for that?

$792 million in patent royalties from just two companies in a single quarter, Samsung and HTC.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows/20792/microsofts-haul...

Nokia also made a similar amount in patent licensing from Apple. I believe Nokia is also suing HTC so might start collecting patent licensing from them at some point.

Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux

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This will be interesting to watch. There is a whole generation of users that do not use Windows as their primary OS. The brand power that it once had is disappearing. Users can now pick between Linux and iOS for most of their computing needs. The failure of Windows Phone to compete on that market shows that there is a significant amount of mindshare being lost. My guess is that MS is trying to lock people into using…

A better way of putting it is that there is a generation of users that do not differentiate between hardware and software. They just know devices.

And if you are only supplying one half of the device, you are in most respects going have trouble sustaining your business in 5-10 years time because the market for just the OS or just the hardware will be tiny or have tiny margins.

Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux

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The concept of "should" is bizarre and irrelevant. The reality of the situation is that right now, you can .

To clarify: Based on current trends regarding hardware, e.g. the "post PC era", and software, e.g. "walled gardens"; an expectation that in the future one will be able to run the OS of their choice on common computing devices with the sanction of the hardware manufacturer increasingly looks less reasonable. Yes, it is possible to boot Linux on an iPad. And it is also likely that one will be able to likewise boot Linu…

The trick is that there are two different sorts of "expect".

Suppose a parent finds their teenage kid watching TV instead of studying for an exam and says, "I expect you to do well on that exam tomorrow!". Do they expect their child to do well? Yes. Do they expect their child to do well? No, they would be foolish to.

At the present, both types of "expect" apply to this discussion. Some companies seem intent on eliminating one of those expectations, but they cannot do anything about the other.

Re: Intel says Clover Trail will not work with Linux

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Where would Intel be without Microsoft today??? They need windows to continue to succeed. ARM chips are the enemy of Intel, thus IOS and Android/linux are the enemy of Intel.

For the left hand, maybe. Meanwhile, the right hand is busy porting Jelly Bean to their x86/Android phones: http://www.zdnet.com/intel-ports-android-jelly-bean-to-x86-p...

This will never fly... That article you linked says that the Intel based phones will only run 90% of android apps. Who would choose one of these phones over an arm based one? It would take a lot of incentive for someone choosing between them. The cost would have to be significantly cheaper or the phone significantly better. I see a non-starter here.
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