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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #30
sagarm wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best jobs are with large corporations with offices all over the world. Workers from all over the world are competing with each other, regardless of the Kafkaesque state of American immigrant policy.

Ohio senator introduces 25% tax on companies that outsource jobs overseas - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45146528 - September 2025 https://www.moreno.senate.gov/press-releases/new-moreno-bill... https://www.moreno.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/The... (if you're a company with no US nexus or presence, and no access to the market, your hiring practices are up to your local jurisdiction; if you want acce…

This bill is a hunk of Swiss cheese. Great for lawyers and bankers and possibly global tech companies, depending on how it parses out in court.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by BobbyJo »

happytoexplain wrote: post #43
Der_Einzige wrote: post #2

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This misses the point bigly. We can go ahead and use low-friction global best-candidate techniques as soon as we are all incorporeal ghosts in the digital world who don't physically live in any one country. Until then, we must protect our citizens (where "we" means everybody, not just the US).

Yeah, I think people mistake country and geographic area. The US is the 300+ million people that build and apply systems and institutions within an area, not the area itself. Coming to the conclusion that people here are interchangeable with people anywhere else and should constantly have to earn their place is fundamentally divorced from reality.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by ivewonyoung »

zdragnar wrote: post #24
teachrdan wrote: post #11

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Out of curiosity, do they favor hiring Indians in general, or Hindu Indians in particular. (To the exclusion of Muslim Indians)

It's been awhile since I've seen it, but there was a very brief and small wave of articles perhaps a few years back claiming a lot of Indians in the US were still facing caste-based discrimination (by skin color, name or something else, I'm not sure) by other Indian managers and execs.

> but there was a very brief and small wave of articles perhaps a few years back claiming a lot of Indians in the US were still facing caste-based discrimination

Those articles based on a lawsuit were very heavily promoted on HN, however the complaint was by a single disgruntled employee who just happened to invoke the caste card and the suit was thrown out by the court.

The California DoJ failed to do basic due diligence before filing the lawsuit to the extent that the defendants filed a civil suit saying they were being discriminated against because of their race by the CA DoJ. Of course, these followups never got any traction on HN, because they didn't fit the narrative.

And now there are so many people, especially on HN and other developer forums that are utterly convinced caste based discrimination is very prevalent.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by ludicrousdispla »

zdragnar wrote: post #36
ajross wrote: post #23

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Yeah, "racist" seems to fail the Occam test here. But at the same time that makes it clear that the now-suddenly-unpopular opinion is also wrong. Diversity takes work, and companies need to guard against this kind of decisionmaking. "DEI" protects the native-born too!

DEI arose to public consciousness around the same time that "whiteness" was often used as a synonym for bigotry and privilege. So long as academic circles (and those who come from them, such as the people now in HR departments) believe that having white skin is a sin, DEI will never be D, E or I. The three words themselves are nice and generally good things to believe in, but the packaging philosophy it is wrapped up…

I've never met a single HR person that could be characterized as coming from, or even brushing up against, an academic circle.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by codyb »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #35
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #4

If Apple and Meta have had to pay $38 million for engaging in these practices I don't understand why they used the subtle "chronically-online" dig against people trying to expose it: "And this has given rise to a cottage industry of chronically-online types — in other words, typical tech workers — seeking to expose them."

The whole thing seems to oddly disdainful of the people being impacted: > How many 20-something software engineers even know how to use a post office in 2025?

To "use" a post office?

What like... any... other... store or building where you walk in, perform an action, and leave?

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by toomuchtodo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #51
toomuchtodo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ohio senator introduces 25% tax on companies that outsource jobs overseas - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45146528 - September 2025 https://www.moreno.senate.gov/press-releases/new-moreno-bill... https://www.moreno.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/The... (if you're a company with no US nexus or presence, and no access to the market, your hiring practices are up to your local jurisdiction; if you want acce…

This bill is a hunk of Swiss cheese. Great for lawyers and bankers and possibly global tech companies, depending on how it parses out in court.

I'm willing to walk before running. Have to start somewhere.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

srameshc wrote: post #46
teachrdan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, do they favor hiring Indians in general, or Hindu Indians in particular. (To the exclusion of Muslim Indians)

I don't think so. I feel Indian managers have a tendency to hire anyone else but Indians. If they have to favor Hindu, Brahmin, Muslim is very subjective, depending on that person's background, but I would say very rare. If they really have a prefrence, it will be "the connect", like if they both can connect based on region (ex: Delhi or that region) but very few Indians of current generation would care about caste o…

> I feel Indian managers have a tendency to hire anyone else but Indians

I'd guess this varies massively depending on whether the hiring manager and the people they're hiring are H1-Bs.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by mikert89 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #50
mikert89 wrote: post #33

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That’s not quite right. To win a discrimination case, you typically need to document a pattern of behavior over time—often a year. Most people can’t afford a lawyer to manage that. But if you’re a regular employee, you can use ChatGPT to draft calm, non-threatening Slack messages that note discriminatory incidents and keep doing that consistently. With diligent, organized evidence, you absolutely can build a case; th…

> To win a discrimination case, you typically need to document a pattern of behavior over time—often a year Where did you hear this? > use ChatGPT to draft calm, non-threatening Slack messages that note discriminatory incidents and keep doing that consistently This is terrible advice. It not only makes those messages inadmissible, it casts reasonable doubt on everything else you say. Using an LLM to take the emotion…

With respect, it seems you haven’t kept up with how people actually use ChatGPT. In discrimination cases—especially disparate treatment—the key is comparing your performance, opportunities, and outcomes against peers: projects assigned, promotions, credit for work, meeting invites, inclusion, and so on. For engineers, that often means concrete signals like PR assignments, review comments, approval times, who gets merges fast, and who’s blocked.

Most employees don’t know what data matters or how to collect it. ChatGPT Pro (GPT-5 Pro) can walk someone through exactly what to track and how to frame it: drafting precise, non-threatening documentation, escalating via well-written emails, and organizing evidence. I first saw this when a seed-stage startup I know lost a wage claim after an employee used ChatGPT to craft highly effective legal emails.

This is the shift: people won’t hire a lawyer to explore “maybe” claims on a $100K tech job—but they will ask an AI to outline relevant doctrines, show how their facts map to prior cases, and suggest the right records to pull. On its own, ChatGPT isn’t a lawyer. In the hands of a thoughtful user, though, it’s close to lawyer-level support for spotting issues, building a record, and pushing for a fair outcome. The legal system will feel that impact.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by klipklop »

To anybody playing attention it's very clear SV tech vastly prefers to import foreign labor rather than hire local. It has been this way for multiple decades now (and gets worse every year.) I don't see this changing any time soon. Sure they get the occasional slap on the wrist, but the wage suppression saves them way more money over time.
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