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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Out of curiosity, do they favor hiring Indians in general, or Hindu Indians in particular. (To the exclusion of Muslim Indians)

funny question, I believe we're more precisely talking about Brahmin "upper" caste hiring only from their caste. Muslims don't even come into the picture...

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people (regardless of race) prefer to hire from within their network. It makes sense that Indians' networks would consist of other Indians.

Yeah, "racist" seems to fail the Occam test here. But at the same time that makes it clear that the now-suddenly-unpopular opinion is also wrong. Diversity takes work, and companies need to guard against this kind of decisionmaking. "DEI" protects the native-born too!

> ”racist" seems to fail the Occam test here

The word has lost meaning due to semantic overinclusivity.

By the Civil Rights era definitions, the process is racist. The people may not be. The process explicitly favours Indians. This isn’t some statistical mumbo-jumbo anti-racism construct, it’s the clear intent of the people involved and a clear effect of their actions.

What we can’t conclude from this is if the people involved think Indians are superior (versus just familiar).

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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There's another thing happening which people haven't really heard much about, which is basically ChatGPT Pro is really good at making legal arguments. And so people that previously would never have filed something like a discrimination lawsuit can now use ChatGPT to understand how to respond to managers' emails and proactively send emails that point out discrimination in non-threatening manner, and so in ways that cr…

That's all well and good, but anyone who does this will likely just be terminated asap without cause, possibly as a part of a multi-person layoff that makes it appear innocuous.

That’s not quite right. To win a discrimination case, you typically need to document a pattern of behavior over time—often a year. Most people can’t afford a lawyer to manage that. But if you’re a regular employee, you can use ChatGPT to draft calm, non-threatening Slack messages that note discriminatory incidents and keep doing that consistently. With diligent, organized evidence, you absolutely can build a case; the hard part is proving it, and ChatGPT is great at helping you gather and frame the proof.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

that is definitely part of it

Yep. And caste based discrimination is legal in the USA. Its not a protected EEOC class, as much as that doesn't matter in our legal environment. So yeah, you can discriminate against Dalits, and hire predominantly Brahmins.

Except in Seattle, which explicitly bans caste discrimination as of 2023, and in California, which interprets its own state anti-discrimination laws to already include caste discrimination in other broader categories (which was the reason Governor Newsom gave when he vetoed a bill in 2023 to explicitly ban caste discrimination).

Quite a lot of tech companies hire in either Seattle, California, or both.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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If Apple and Meta have had to pay $38 million for engaging in these practices I don't understand why they used the subtle "chronically-online" dig against people trying to expose it: "And this has given rise to a cottage industry of chronically-online types — in other words, typical tech workers — seeking to expose them."

The whole thing seems to oddly disdainful of the people being impacted:

> How many 20-something software engineers even know how to use a post office in 2025?

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

#36
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people (regardless of race) prefer to hire from within their network. It makes sense that Indians' networks would consist of other Indians.

Yeah, "racist" seems to fail the Occam test here. But at the same time that makes it clear that the now-suddenly-unpopular opinion is also wrong. Diversity takes work, and companies need to guard against this kind of decisionmaking. "DEI" protects the native-born too!

DEI arose to public consciousness around the same time that "whiteness" was often used as a synonym for bigotry and privilege. So long as academic circles (and those who come from them, such as the people now in HR departments) believe that having white skin is a sin, DEI will never be D, E or I.

The three words themselves are nice and generally good things to believe in, but the packaging philosophy it is wrapped up in is poisonous.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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post #13

I'm certainly not an expert in immigration law but this whole system seems pretty stupid. On one hand, H1B holders can be paid below market rates because it is very hard for them to switch jobs. For this reason, they create resentment from American citizens. On the other hand, it would be extremely detrimental to the US to kill the golden goose of our tech industry by turning it into some kind of forced welfare for c…

> Another country which is able to hire the best from around the world will take our place.

But not all of the H1B folks are the best from around the world; they're simply significantly cheaper, and the reality of the H1B Visa also means that they're very unlikely to quit their jobs for greener pastures.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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post #13

I'm certainly not an expert in immigration law but this whole system seems pretty stupid. On one hand, H1B holders can be paid below market rates because it is very hard for them to switch jobs. For this reason, they create resentment from American citizens. On the other hand, it would be extremely detrimental to the US to kill the golden goose of our tech industry by turning it into some kind of forced welfare for c…

This will incentivize foreign intelligence services to fund their own market of conveniently cash flush moles.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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post #13

I'm certainly not an expert in immigration law but this whole system seems pretty stupid. On one hand, H1B holders can be paid below market rates because it is very hard for them to switch jobs. For this reason, they create resentment from American citizens. On the other hand, it would be extremely detrimental to the US to kill the golden goose of our tech industry by turning it into some kind of forced welfare for c…

> Another country which is able to hire the best from around the world will take our place. But not all of the H1B folks are the best from around the world; they're simply significantly cheaper , and the reality of the H1B Visa also means that they're very unlikely to quit their jobs for greener pastures.

Yea that's exactly the point I'm making. If they came and paid a high visa payment, then they would not be significantly cheaper.
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