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Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by woah »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #38
woah wrote: post #13

I'm certainly not an expert in immigration law but this whole system seems pretty stupid. On one hand, H1B holders can be paid below market rates because it is very hard for them to switch jobs. For this reason, they create resentment from American citizens. On the other hand, it would be extremely detrimental to the US to kill the golden goose of our tech industry by turning it into some kind of forced welfare for c…

This will incentivize foreign intelligence services to fund their own market of conveniently cash flush moles.

Ah yes, any foreigner must be a secret agent

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

zdragnar wrote: post #24
teachrdan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, do they favor hiring Indians in general, or Hindu Indians in particular. (To the exclusion of Muslim Indians)

It's been awhile since I've seen it, but there was a very brief and small wave of articles perhaps a few years back claiming a lot of Indians in the US were still facing caste-based discrimination (by skin color, name or something else, I'm not sure) by other Indian managers and execs.

Newsom vetoed the ban [1]. A pair of professors are having a bad time trying to got CSU’s ban on caste-based discrimination thrown out on the grounds of being religiously discriminatory [2].

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/09/us/california-caste-discrimin...

[2] https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/23...

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by happytoexplain »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #2

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This misses the point bigly. We can go ahead and use low-friction global best-candidate techniques as soon as we are all incorporeal ghosts in the digital world who don't physically live in any one country. Until then, we must protect our citizens (where "we" means everybody, not just the US).

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Post by BobbyJo »

ajross wrote: post #29
pavel_lishin wrote: post #18

> How many 20-something software engineers even know how to use a post office in 2025? Ok, come on, this is just an insulting "kids these days" throw-away line that is absolutely not necessary.

That's an editorial point, not a substantial one. Obviously requiring an application be submitted by an inconvenient and antiquated method that isn't used by the demographic in question is going to create friction and reduce the number of applications. That this is expressed in a whimsical way (personally I liked the turn of phrase, but that's an issue of taste) might personally offend you but doesn't change the subs…

It also has the effect of making the job posting seem fake, or like a scam, because who in their right mind would believe META, who has their own, in-house operated, online job application portal, would require a job application to be mailed in.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by srameshc »

teachrdan wrote: post #11
throwmeaway222 wrote: post #9

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Out of curiosity, do they favor hiring Indians in general, or Hindu Indians in particular. (To the exclusion of Muslim Indians)

I don't think so. I feel Indian managers have a tendency to hire anyone else but Indians. If they have to favor Hindu, Brahmin, Muslim is very subjective, depending on that person's background, but I would say very rare. If they really have a prefrence, it will be "the connect", like if they both can connect based on region (ex: Delhi or that region) but very few Indians of current generation would care about caste or religion.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mikert89 wrote: post #19

There's another thing happening which people haven't really heard much about, which is basically ChatGPT Pro is really good at making legal arguments. And so people that previously would never have filed something like a discrimination lawsuit can now use ChatGPT to understand how to respond to managers' emails and proactively send emails that point out discrimination in non-threatening manner, and so in ways that cr…

> ChatGPT Pro is really good at making legal arguments

It’s good at initiating them. I’ve started to see folks using LLM output directly in legal complaints and it’s frankly a godsend to the other side since blatantly making shit up is usually enough to swing a regulator, judge or arbitrator to dismiss with prejudice.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by snozolli »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #42
zdragnar wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been awhile since I've seen it, but there was a very brief and small wave of articles perhaps a few years back claiming a lot of Indians in the US were still facing caste-based discrimination (by skin color, name or something else, I'm not sure) by other Indian managers and execs.

Newsom vetoed the ban [1]. A pair of professors are having a bad time trying to got CSU’s ban on caste-based discrimination thrown out on the grounds of being religiously discriminatory [2]. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/09/us/california-caste-discrimin... [2] https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/23...

Newsom vetoed the ban [1]

From that article:

In a statement explaining his veto decision, Newsom said the measure was “unnecessary” because discrimination based on caste is already prohibited in the state.

(Just adding context that I would have missed if not for another commenter pointing it out further down)

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mikert89 wrote: post #33
OutOfHere wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's all well and good, but anyone who does this will likely just be terminated asap without cause, possibly as a part of a multi-person layoff that makes it appear innocuous.

That’s not quite right. To win a discrimination case, you typically need to document a pattern of behavior over time—often a year. Most people can’t afford a lawyer to manage that. But if you’re a regular employee, you can use ChatGPT to draft calm, non-threatening Slack messages that note discriminatory incidents and keep doing that consistently. With diligent, organized evidence, you absolutely can build a case; th…

> To win a discrimination case, you typically need to document a pattern of behavior over time—often a year

Where did you hear this?

> use ChatGPT to draft calm, non-threatening Slack messages that note discriminatory incidents and keep doing that consistently

This is terrible advice. It not only makes those messages inadmissible, it casts reasonable doubt on everything else you say.

Using an LLM to take the emotion out of your breadcrumbs is fine. Having it draft generic stuff, or worse, potentially hallucinate, may actually flip liability onto you, particularly if you weren't authorised to disclose the contents of those messages to an outside LLM.

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