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14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by optimalsolver »

codeforafrica wrote: post #155
mothballed wrote: post #47

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It's not terribly unusual to end up with random government officials if you're a white guy going into a non-touristy part of the 3rd world. I went to a village in Paraguay, first thing locals did was take me to some government project creating an industrial cow milking operation where I was promptly offered an engineering job. Low-level 3rd world officials love showing off whatever they're doing to whoever will liste…

Here in East Africa some people tell me that it should be easy to find a job for me, but I must be talking to the wrong people. Not lamenting, just sharing how different the experience can be...

Kenya?

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by Quarrelsome »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #192
Quarrelsome wrote: post #156

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I think its quite something that we all waste our time over divisions like left/right, capitalism/socialism, woke/not-woke when in practice; this is the only division that matters. Those who are trying to follow the rules and make the nation better, and those that are only active for their self-interest.

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sure, but the implication is that outside of the political tribalism that has America gripped; there's people on your side of this tribal divide who would screw you and people on the opposite tribal side who would work well with you.

The tribalism of two party politics blurs those lines and replaces them with arbitrary forms of tribal allegiance. i.e. under a freer political system with a vibrant set of political parties that actually matched peoples political interests you might find former democrats and republicans voting together for the same party. Its my belief that the political divide in US mostly comes down to what TV channel your parents had on.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by tomrod »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #200
tomrod wrote: post #31

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I fear that your observations speaks more to protest being an inefficient catalyst for regime change more than it speaks to the efforts and initiatives to preserve freedom. The jetset class doesn't really care about a single nation. For good (trade binds fractious governments) or ill (neofeudalism), they try to separate themselves from the proles.

To be fair the people who care about a single nation, to the detriment of all other nations, are freaks

Aye, it sort of sucks. A global government that could also respect privacy would be a good thing, IMO, except for when it leans authoritarian.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by selimthegrim »

alephnerd wrote: post #117
factorialboy wrote: post #113

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First, Maldives. Then, Bangladesh, Now, Nepal. An unstable Nepal allows the destabilization of two critical states in India. Regime change in India is the big prize. -- China and India do meddle. But a classic color revolution, such as this one, is the signature of you-know-who.

KP Sharma Oli is pro-China which even Nepali media has pointed out [0]. And his formative years were spent growing up in a village (Garamani) barely 30 km outside Naxalbari during the Naxalbari Uprising, and attended secondary school barely 5 miles (Mechinagar) away from Naxalbari during the uprising. In Nepali politics, Sher Bahadur Deuba is pro-India and Prachanda is pro-Prachanda (will back India some years, other…

Did the departments at Berkeley, Columbia and Chicago just turn over and capsize?

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by 01HNNWZ0MV43FF »

martin-t wrote: post #167
whamlastxmas wrote: post #136

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It’s also irrefutable fact that pro-state or pro-cop agitators throughout history will pretend to be a demonstrator and throw a single brick to give the cops an excuse to break some skulls

In primitive societies where people are expected to resolve their own problems because everyone is roughly equal, violence is the principal currency, for better or worse. But in "civilized" societies with multiple layers of power structures, you are not supposed to solve your own problem, you are supposed to show somebody in a position of power that you are the victim so they solve the problem for you. This means vic…

"violence doesn't belong in politics" is a hilarious one. Off the top of my head, the USA is kidnapping people and sending them to countries they are not from, and telling me as a trans woman that maybe I should not own guns

I'm sure there will be no violence once the thugs have guns and I don't

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Post by whimsicalism »

fruitworks wrote: post #193
whimsicalism wrote: post #178

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jeez and you accuse me of LARPing online. call me when your revolution starts

How to win any argument on HN: 0. Start by moving the overton window to the edge of civility. Do not provide any justifications for your opinion. For example, "Protestors inside a government building should be met with violence" 1. Don't address any points they make 2. Make a snarky passive agressive response, thus winning. 3. Flag them for hurting your feelings. By discussing your ideas concretely ("who should perfo…

sorry for not engaging faithfully with a user that called me a coward within 3 sentences. your comment was flagged by third parties

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by jimbohn »

mandeepj wrote: post #143
lionturtle wrote: post #10

It was absolutely not just social media ban, it was mostly youth protesting against the corrupt government and unfairness, social media ban was one element that was against the freedom of speech, but it was right around the time where everyone was documenting the rich politicians, their business connections and their families that have been living lavishly and just inheriting the election seats from generation to gen…

Quite similar corruption is happening here in America! Donald trump made over $3.8B since getting into office this year, while tanking farming, jobs market, and foreign relations.

Feels like we are watching a poor man's caligola

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by bilbo0s »

foxglacier wrote: post #119
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #72

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I actually don’t know if I agree with the last part. A chunk of the Rwandan genocide was a radio station instigating and advocating for the mass slaughter of a people. Atrocities in Myanmar also were originally advocated for in Facebook. On more personal levels, domestic abuse is also psychological torture and the wearing down of a person with words and it should be in someone’s right to file a restraining order to s…

That's a huge leap from directly instigating genocide that actually happened to "We must limit speech that advocates limiting the freedoms of people to live as independent and equal citizens." which is severe censorship of all sorts of political ideas, including ones which we already enact and most people agree with. There's a lot of widely-accepted government-enforced inequality (foreigners, prisoners, convicts, chi…

I don’t know man?

You need moderation both ways.

Yes to the First.

But also yes to the cops arresting a kid who posts on social media that he’s gonna kill all his classmates tomorrow morning.

Bonus points if the cops arrest him before he goes to school tomorrow.

Couching threats of violence in political language shouldn’t change anything in that regard.

(Well, it does these days. But it shouldn’t. That’s how you get kids gunned down at prayer.)

Anyway, bottom line is, adherence to the First doesn’t mean we abandon law enforcement, or military sense.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by jay-barronville »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #72
jay-barronville wrote: post #19

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Hard agree. I’m always trying to get my fellow young Americans to understand this and it seems to go right over their heads a lot of times. My parents lived through multiple oppressive dictatorships before emigrating to America. Once I understood everything that they and their families experienced ( e.g. , family members being kidnapped, disappeared, and eventually murdered simply due their political views), I gained…

I actually don’t know if I agree with the last part. A chunk of the Rwandan genocide was a radio station instigating and advocating for the mass slaughter of a people. Atrocities in Myanmar also were originally advocated for in Facebook. On more personal levels, domestic abuse is also psychological torture and the wearing down of a person with words and it should be in someone’s right to file a restraining order to s…

> That is to say I broadly agree with the notion that speech should be relatively unfettered, but I do believe there must be exceptions for speech that actively aims to fetter people. We must limit speech that advocates limiting the freedoms of people to live as independent and equal citizens.

While absolute free speech remains unattainable in practice due to inevitable societal boundaries, it should serve as an aspirational ideal toward which we continually strive, minimizing deviations rather than expanding them. Speech restrictions often and quickly devolve into subjectivity, fostering environments where only dominant ideologies prevail.

So, of course, by all means, restrict speech that harms children, incites violence, etc., but be very careful to not open that door too widely.

Re: 14 Killed in anti-government protests in Nepal

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Post by paganel »

jama211 wrote: post #12
paganel wrote: post #5

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It shows that the Nepalese have a higher civic response compared to many in the West, just look at the Brits, where in effect there is a social media ban on lots and lots of things that affect day-to-day life.

Let’s not pretend the level of ban is equivalent, or the effect it has on people’s lives. More should be done, but there are levels of severity. UK citizens can and do still log on to many services daily that are not accessible in Nepal.

Of course they log in, I never said otherwise, but only if they want to write about stuff that is pretty much inconsequential to their lives, such as sports or celebrity culture.
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