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Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by komali2 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #216
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #199

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I like Pete Seeger’s paraphrase of his father: “Plagiarism is basic to all culture”. I think we underestimate the damage to society at large when “remixing” the work of others is legally fraught. The mere reproduction of a previous performance is not additional work for the artist and so does not require compensation: to demand royalties undermines the fundamental structure of art for most of history.

As a musician: that's totally fine, we can argue the philosophy of it all day and what the law should or shouldn't be. But right now it is what it is and people are basing their careers off that status quo. There should be some respect for that, no?

> There should be some respect for that, no?

Not really. Like when my friend scolded me the other day for not finishing the dessert I ordered - "trash is burned here, you're contributing to excess methane production."

May I be flogged for my excess methane production. I will present myself with no resistance, so long as the floggings are delivered in a linear scale mapping to amount of methane produced. As soon as all the time in the universe is spent flogging the decision makers at all the oil and gas companies, I'm right there.

People listening to music for free is less than a drop of water in the ocean of causative reasons musicians get fucked.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by komali2 »

llbbdd wrote: post #211
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #178

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Tragedy of the Commons is bullshit. Just one pessimistic, selfish asshole penning out a manifesto on how everyone is just as miserable and awful as he is. It assumes that individuals, left to their own devices, will inevitably over-consume shared resources out of selfishness. But this narrative ignores centuries of evidence to the contrary: communities around the world have sustainably managed commons through norms,…

They have demonstrably not - they have generally failed until introducing capitalism-eseque cooperation. "They fail when they're mismanaged, privatized, or stripped of the social fabric that sustains them" - yes, these are obvious natural consequences of scale.

Not really. It didn't happen in syndicalized Spain. It didn't happen for millennia in ancient cities.

Scale being necessary seems to be unique to capitalism and state capitalism (Marxist industrialization requirements).

Maybe it was necessary before, I don't know but it's moot. We certainly have achieved post scarcity now and there should be no issues leveraging the tools our ancestors have given us to ensure it's distributed well.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by graynk »

raffraffraff wrote: post #219
slg wrote: post #29

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>As a musician, fuck everything about this Pretty wild to include a comment like this in the testimonials. Sure, you can disagree with the musician on philosophical terms over IP laws and many consumers will always prefer "free", but to put this in your testimonials shows that the developers take pride in the act of pissing off musicians. That just rubs me the wrong way.

They aren't testimonials. Couldn't be. Nobody would put mostly negative comments on their page like that. Some aren't remotely positive in any way (not even in a "hahaha, fuck the artists, get music for free" way). Maybe they're coming from a comment feed somewhere?

I am very certain this is intentional. Sorta "look how much we don't care" bravado.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by komali2 »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #178
thwarted wrote: post #93

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Tragedy of the Commons Ruins Everything Around Me.

Tragedy of the Commons is bullshit. Just one pessimistic, selfish asshole penning out a manifesto on how everyone is just as miserable and awful as he is. It assumes that individuals, left to their own devices, will inevitably over-consume shared resources out of selfishness. But this narrative ignores centuries of evidence to the contrary: communities around the world have sustainably managed commons through norms,…

History bears out the truth of what you say. Native Americans managed the commons in communal ownership so well that some of their permaculture existed through to today, untended.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by komali2 »

voidfunc wrote: post #69
slg wrote: post #60

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>The parent comment is putting it as nicely as it can be put. If you don't want people to pirate your music, your only path of recourse as a musician is to stop uploading digital copies of your work. There is no honor system in music or data and there never will be. I'm just tired of this technolibertarian mindset of "it's not wrong because no one is stopping me from doing it". There is no "honor system" in life eith…

Unfortunately the winds are not blowing in your preferred direction. We are being shown time and time again and in increasing frequency that being an asshole is the best way to succeed.

This in opposition to millennia of human history, which should teach us that the surest path to human success is cooperation. Why else would we have invented language?

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by AlecSchueler »

komali2 wrote: post #221
AlecSchueler wrote: post #216

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As a musician: that's totally fine, we can argue the philosophy of it all day and what the law should or shouldn't be. But right now it is what it is and people are basing their careers off that status quo. There should be some respect for that, no?

> There should be some respect for that, no? Not really. Like when my friend scolded me the other day for not finishing the dessert I ordered - "trash is burned here, you're contributing to excess methane production." May I be flogged for my excess methane production. I will present myself with no resistance, so long as the floggings are delivered in a linear scale mapping to amount of methane produced. As soon as al…

I don't know how you can square that with the fact that when people bought records musicians made more money.

Your metaphor is also incredibly impersonal. What about stealing a sandwich from a homeless person and saying "well society already fucked them over big time." It's a drop in the ocean compared to all the meals he's already missed for other reasons.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by nashashmi »

bslaq wrote: post #39
throwaway58576 wrote: post #37

> When pressed for reasons what exactly is so bad about Electron, they can rarely offer anything than vaguely mumbled "memory usage" or "b-but it's an entire browser" (both of which have not been true for years, for example Electron's memory usage has improved dramatically, but the meme stuck) I downloaded Nuclear (the AppImage, if that matters) and booted it up. Instant 300MB RAM usage. I think I'll pass.

300 MB is 1.25% of my RAM. An application using 1.25% of my RAM seems reasonable.

Idealistically it should not be using so much memory and burning up the world’s silicon. Efficient computing is a backbone of why we trust computers. (I am horrified with the windows explorer in windows 11 nowadays for its slowness.)

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by debazel »

nashashmi wrote: post #227
bslaq wrote: post #39

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300 MB is 1.25% of my RAM. An application using 1.25% of my RAM seems reasonable.

Idealistically it should not be using so much memory and burning up the world’s silicon. Efficient computing is a backbone of why we trust computers. (I am horrified with the windows explorer in windows 11 nowadays for its slowness.)

How are you burning up silicon by using your memory? If anything you're wasting more silicon by making low-density RAM modules.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by GuB-42 »

guappa wrote: post #212
charcircuit wrote: post #100

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This bypasses the ads of YouTube Music which means that artists are not being compensated for their work.

You think youtube music compensates artists?

They do. At least for those who are eligible to become YouTube partners, which starts at 1000 subscribers I think.

How fair it is depends on what you think is fair, but it is not zero.

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