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Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by fsniper »

slg wrote: post #29
hippich wrote: post #3

Testimonials on the main website are somewhat unusual - https://nuclearplayer.com/

>As a musician, fuck everything about this Pretty wild to include a comment like this in the testimonials. Sure, you can disagree with the musician on philosophical terms over IP laws and many consumers will always prefer "free", but to put this in your testimonials shows that the developers take pride in the act of pissing off musicians. That just rubs me the wrong way.

When I read the testimonials, my take was the developers are not taking themselves too seriously. It felt well for me. They are not trying to sell one perspective, and not hiding what haters tell too. I suppose I find this refreshing.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by gpm »

derefr wrote: post #76
gpm wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So this is essentially a Popcorn Time-type-thing If I understand this software correctly, that's not a fair comparison. Popcorn time plays movies from sources that did not have the right to give you a copy (illegal torrents). This plays music from sources that did have a right to give you a copy (e.g. youtube). An app for liberally licensed/public domain music would be neat, this isn't that, but it's also not obvio…

> This plays music from sources that did have a right to give you a copy (e.g. youtube). The distinction being that any random copy of something on YouTube might be there not because the rightsholder explicitly wants it there, but merely because the rightsholder 1. doesn't work with a big label that participates in the YouTube DMCA content fingerprinting program, and 2. doesn't have the resources to stay on top of ev…

Eh, the distinctions being that

- With YouTube, unlike with torrenting, you aren't distributing the files.

- You have no reason to believe that YouTube doesn't have an entirely valid license - while you do with torrents. YouTube takes reasonable (though not foolproof) steps to attempt to ensure that. Asserting you can't use YouTube because someone might have uploaded a copyright infringing work would lead to the conclusion that you can't browse the rest of the public internet for the same reason.

- YouTube complies with the DMCA for whatever the safe harbor provisions are worth (under US law).

If it's a grey market, it's a very light-grey market.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by thwarted »

anon_e-moose wrote: post #87
voidfunc wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the winds are not blowing in your preferred direction. We are being shown time and time again and in increasing frequency that being an asshole is the best way to succeed.

That short-term individual success is at the expense of the wider long-term success. If 10 people live in a lake and I fish more than everyone I will be better off that others. But then everyone else will seek the same individual short-term success because my first step in being an asshole was not punished. We will all end up starving in this scenario. A central authority agreed by all to manage this situation fairly…

Tragedy of the Commons Ruins Everything Around Me.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by Tallain »

kesor wrote: post #77

Can I add a testimonial? Run the thing, clicked a song, it said it can't play it, removed the thing.

That was my experience as well. But it was interesting to see what was popular with other users, and I found a cool artist (yeule) this way.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by [deleted] »

bslaq wrote: post #62
j1elo wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's really a meme is: " I got 32 GB of RAM, who cares? " I see a parallel with networked services being developed and tested under "works for me" lab conditions without latency, jitter, or reduced bandwidth. "It works fine on my 10 Gbps network, who cares about 2 extra MB of Javascript?" For one, because the very moment you have that line of thought, you're probably already an outlier.

You would be hard-pressed today to find computers with less than 8 GB of RAM. 300 MB is 3.66% of 8 GB of RAM. Which, again, is absolutely nothing. Okay, let's assume you have a computer with 4 GB of RAM. Still 7.32%. That is low.

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Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by kiddico »

bslaq wrote: post #81
201984 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard disk drive

I don’t think it’s possible to find computers selling today with one of those.

If you open one of those bad boys up you'll find you can swap out and even add parts.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by righthand »

bslaq wrote: post #39
throwaway58576 wrote: post #37

> When pressed for reasons what exactly is so bad about Electron, they can rarely offer anything than vaguely mumbled "memory usage" or "b-but it's an entire browser" (both of which have not been true for years, for example Electron's memory usage has improved dramatically, but the meme stuck) I downloaded Nuclear (the AppImage, if that matters) and booted it up. Instant 300MB RAM usage. I think I'll pass.

300 MB is 1.25% of my RAM. An application using 1.25% of my RAM seems reasonable.

How about 10 electron applications all with different purposes using 12.5% of your RAM?

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by rzzzt »

dendrite9 wrote: post #4
jeffbee wrote: post #2

Any fans of the old "Songbird" browser with the tag line "Play the web"?

Yes! A friend and I were just talking about running through blogs and downloading songs in Songbird.

The Hype Machine is still up after all these years (I think it was one of the example bookmarks). But now the player is embedded into the website itself: https://hypem.com/popular

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by charcircuit »

pxoe wrote: post #78
slg wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>As a musician, fuck everything about this Pretty wild to include a comment like this in the testimonials. Sure, you can disagree with the musician on philosophical terms over IP laws and many consumers will always prefer "free", but to put this in your testimonials shows that the developers take pride in the act of pissing off musicians. That just rubs me the wrong way.

It's completely understandable not just for the usual streaming services (like youtube, etc.) and the grievances there (payouts per play, whichever way it goes, be it that artists getting stiffed or people refusing to come up with even a fraction of a cent), but for something like bandcamp as well, which is kind of 'almost but not quite a streaming service' and more accurately described in a literal way like 'it lets…

This bypasses the ads of YouTube Music which means that artists are not being compensated for their work.
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