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Post by llbbdd »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #178
thwarted wrote: post #93

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Tragedy of the Commons Ruins Everything Around Me.

Tragedy of the Commons is bullshit. Just one pessimistic, selfish asshole penning out a manifesto on how everyone is just as miserable and awful as he is. It assumes that individuals, left to their own devices, will inevitably over-consume shared resources out of selfishness. But this narrative ignores centuries of evidence to the contrary: communities around the world have sustainably managed commons through norms,…

They have demonstrably not - they have generally failed until introducing capitalism-eseque cooperation. "They fail when they're mismanaged, privatized, or stripped of the social fabric that sustains them" - yes, these are obvious natural consequences of scale.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by guappa »

charcircuit wrote: post #100
pxoe wrote: post #78

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It's completely understandable not just for the usual streaming services (like youtube, etc.) and the grievances there (payouts per play, whichever way it goes, be it that artists getting stiffed or people refusing to come up with even a fraction of a cent), but for something like bandcamp as well, which is kind of 'almost but not quite a streaming service' and more accurately described in a literal way like 'it lets…

This bypasses the ads of YouTube Music which means that artists are not being compensated for their work.

You think youtube music compensates artists?

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by llbbdd »

afarcryfromhome wrote: post #128
reaperducer wrote: post #118

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being an asshole is the best way to succeed. Being an asshole is the opposite of success. Unless you think life is a video game and the score is tallied in dollar signs. In which case, you've already lost.

this is very naively reductive. it's been shown time and time again throughout human history that being an asshole/ruthless/competitive leads to better outcomes for you and the people around you that you care about. humans are not bonobos. sitting around being nice to each other is not what got us to be the apex species on the planet. people break rules (social norms or legal laws) to get ahead, it is happening conti…

Some people seem to think that because they don't want to be assholes that assholes have no reproductive usefulness, and I'm not sure that's valuable.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by Oxodao »

3RTB297 wrote: post #185
guerrilla wrote: post #161

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You must be young. This is how a lot of projects used to be before everyone sold their soul. This is the original hacker spirit.

Around 2010-2015 there was the cloud-based version of this called Grooveshark. Basically, you streamed each individual file from other people's libraries, which theoretically (at the time) avoided the Napster problem. "You never download the content" they said. It had EVERYTHING as long as the right people were online. Audio books, random weird remixes, you name it. UMG ultimately took them down.

Wow Grooveshark I hadn't head that name in a while. That was a great time

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by AlecSchueler »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #36
slg wrote: post #29

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>As a musician, fuck everything about this Pretty wild to include a comment like this in the testimonials. Sure, you can disagree with the musician on philosophical terms over IP laws and many consumers will always prefer "free", but to put this in your testimonials shows that the developers take pride in the act of pissing off musicians. That just rubs me the wrong way.

Musicians are not the consumers, users are the consumers. Some musicians will always be unhappy, this is unavoidable due to complex issues around IP rights, compensation for art, and the length of time it takes to make changes to these systems (not to mention simply how much existing content is out there new and current artists are competing against, attention economy and all that). n=1, I am optimizing for access to…

> Musicians are not the consumers, users are the consumers

Yeah but if you want to sell cheese it's probably a good idea to maintain a good relationship with farmers.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by AlecSchueler »

fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #199
protocolture wrote: post #195

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I am kind of sick of Musicians complaining that culture is so accessible. Its truly the case that if it wasnt for radio and the legal frameworks developed to deliver radio we would probably be looking at incredibly heavy gatekeeping for music. Humans in general are better off with tools like this. And I for one am glad that these developers are showing off who is angry. Heck things could be a lot better right now if…

I like Pete Seeger’s paraphrase of his father: “Plagiarism is basic to all culture”. I think we underestimate the damage to society at large when “remixing” the work of others is legally fraught. The mere reproduction of a previous performance is not additional work for the artist and so does not require compensation: to demand royalties undermines the fundamental structure of art for most of history.

As a musician: that's totally fine, we can argue the philosophy of it all day and what the law should or shouldn't be.

But right now it is what it is and people are basing their careers off that status quo. There should be some respect for that, no?

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Post by AlecSchueler »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #157
bigyabai wrote: post #129

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You actually don't understand the consumer desire for free, if you necessarily conflate it with class warfare and moral grandstanding. It seems to be a karma sink insisting upon this, but this is the hacker ethos. Nobody lords information over anyone, any paywall you erect will eventually fall. For fuck's sake, children are being firebombed in Gaza right now, and this is the imperative ethical hill you choose to die…

I love seeing your perspective here among all the hand wringing, thanks for not letting downvotes scare you off. IMO it’s regressive to think just because someone has no money they should have no music, and it’s rich seeing calls for free information get downvoted on the same site singing praises of LLMs, as tho those companies paid a dime for their source material

> IMO it’s regressive to think just because someone has no money they should have no music

The person they're responding to has repeatedly said this is not their position.

Re: Nuclear: Desktop music player focused on streaming from free sources

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Post by AlecSchueler »

bigyabai wrote: post #129
slg wrote: post #71

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You actually don't understand the consumer desire for free, if you necessarily conflate it with class warfare and moral grandstanding. It seems to be a karma sink insisting upon this, but this is the hacker ethos. Nobody lords information over anyone, any paywall you erect will eventually fall. For fuck's sake, children are being firebombed in Gaza right now, and this is the imperative ethical hill you choose to die…

Argue one way or the other but it's extremely distasteful to use the suffering of children in Gaza in that way.

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Post by raffraffraff »

slg wrote: post #29
hippich wrote: post #3

Testimonials on the main website are somewhat unusual - https://nuclearplayer.com/

>As a musician, fuck everything about this Pretty wild to include a comment like this in the testimonials. Sure, you can disagree with the musician on philosophical terms over IP laws and many consumers will always prefer "free", but to put this in your testimonials shows that the developers take pride in the act of pissing off musicians. That just rubs me the wrong way.

They aren't testimonials. Couldn't be. Nobody would put mostly negative comments on their page like that. Some aren't remotely positive in any way (not even in a "hahaha, fuck the artists, get music for free" way).

Maybe they're coming from a comment feed somewhere?

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Post by [deleted] »

bigyabai wrote: post #129
slg wrote: post #71

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You actually don't understand the consumer desire for free, if you necessarily conflate it with class warfare and moral grandstanding. It seems to be a karma sink insisting upon this, but this is the hacker ethos. Nobody lords information over anyone, any paywall you erect will eventually fall. For fuck's sake, children are being firebombed in Gaza right now, and this is the imperative ethical hill you choose to die…

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