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Re: Claude Code: Now in Beta in Zed

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Post by lemontheme »

unshavedyak wrote: post #111

I want to try Zed but the Helix mode seems quite young. Vim mode sounds good, but i just can't move away from Helix mode. (oh and of course, my own modifications to Helix's input config) My difficulty in finding editors that fit my desired input scheme kinda reminds me of the old pre-LSP days. Where you'd chose an editor based on it's language features. I wonder if we need some sort of common editor interface to allo…

It’s exciting that Zed even has a Helix mode. That was a big moment for Helix.

Last time I tried it, though, I immediately ran into parts of the keymap that hadn’t been translated yet. I’m already at my limit of tools in beta mode/built from my own fork, so I switched back to Vim mode – where the team is on record explaining their thorough testing methodology.

As a Helix user of two years, I sometimes wonder if I actually like the Helix keymap (certainly some parts are nicer than Vim’s) or if I simply tolerate it because of how nice it is to get a polished TUI IDE out of the box. Either way, my muscle memory expects Helix mode now, rather than Vim.

Re: Claude Code: Now in Beta in Zed

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Post by llbbdd »

arianvanp wrote: post #360
llbbdd wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will never happen and it's a bizarre, legacy fantasy, borne of a fixed imaginary ideal of what computing should be. Programming will continue to move in the direction of ease-of-use and every time I see an out-of-topic reference to Electron in this forum I feel insane, like I'm fighting upstream. You will not see this - you will see more Electron apps, because that is the modern way of building cross-platform ap…

It's not out of topic. We're discussing the Zed editor. Their whole marketing ploy is "we are not electron", "we are rust", "we are native", "we are not slow" alternative to VScode. This is literally their whole distinguishing feature and people are switching because of it and just it.

It is! If the thing runs like shit, say it runs like shit. Say it's native or not, like every topic title and comment on HN until we weep of boredom. I know it's rust! everything is rust here! Is there any other reason I should care? Are we a forum for discussing interesting technology or are we a forum for discussing alternatives to VSCode? And again, who is switching? People shipping products or HN posters with their dumb metrics?

Re: Claude Code: Now in Beta in Zed

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Post by freehorse »

EnPissant wrote: post #204
freehorse wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I do not doubt that there are people who experience this on some monitor/OS combinations, I have used zed on basic 1080p and 1440p 24" monitors with no issue. Sometimes I have general issues with some monitors in macos, which is usually due to some super-resolution/sharpness setting on the monitor itself that I need to adjust, but nothing specific to zed. All I say is that these issues are far from universal wi…

You may not notice because macOS fonts look terrible (blurry) on any monitor that is not hidpi. Zed is just par for the course here. Meanwhile on Linux and Windows, they still implement subpixel rendering so fonts look great on 1440p.

As I said, I do notice when it is blurry, and in such a case it is a problem with anything that is rendered on that monitor not just zed. As I said, this does not happen "on any monitor" that is not hidpi. I use multiple operating systems on my day to day work, so I am not as brainwashed by apple as to not notice when such rendering issues arise.

I know some people have bad experiences with 1440p and macos for some reason, but I haven't had any such experience that I could not fix. So all these are not universal. Some people act as if any monitor below 200dpi will look terrible on macsos. This is definitely not the case.

Re: Claude Code: Now in Beta in Zed

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Post by lemontheme »

dcre wrote: post #255

Glad to see this out so quickly. Like I said[0] on the Gemini announcement post, it feels like Zed is trying to get out of the business of iterating on agent logic and just let other people handle it. Any prompting secret sauce a) is trivial to copy, and b) gets eaten by the next model generation anyway. The capabilities of Claude Code, Codex, OpenCode, etc. seem to me to be converging. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.…

Plausible take. My first time using a coding agent was with Zed’s. As a sceptic, I was blown away. Two or weeks later Claude Code dropped and I haven’t used the Zed agent since. I canceled my subscription because 20 EUR/month for AI features I no longer use felt silly. And with the massive investment from Sequoia, and the real possibility of enshittification, I couldn’t mentally classify it as a monthly ‘donation’ to sponsor ongoing development either.

That last part is just me maybe. But I’m sure they poured a lot of time into their (granted, very nice) agent, only for many users to switch to Claude shortly after release. Letting others build the agent but being the place where the agent get used seems like a smart move

Re: Claude Code: Now in Beta in Zed

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Post by manmal »

agrippanux wrote: post #353

I love Zed but this has all the hallmarks of something being totally rushed out the door. It works off the Claude Code SDK, which mean it doesn't support many of the built in slash commands - it doesn't support /compact, which is 100% necessary because when you use this implementation enough, you'll eventually get a "Prompt too long" error message with no ability to do anything about it. Since you can't see how far y…

Tbf I never use /compact but clear instead, and load in the relevant context anew. I just haven’t seen compacted context to be very useful, so far.

Re: Claude Code: Now in Beta in Zed

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Post by kar1181 »

Also love Zed, but sigh, it's VC funded. We all know how this is going to end. Best VIM mode ever implemented in a (non vim) app. I use it as my 2nd editor (most of the time in Jetbrains products).

I just hope I'm wrong about the medium term impact of the VC funding but rushing AI AI AI out seems to be a sign of that rather than fixing fundamental issues that remain such as the ugly font rendering.

Re: Claude Code: Now in Beta in Zed

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Post by deredede »

skhameneh wrote: post #318
throw47592 wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zed does have a way to run LLMs without tool calling. From the agent pane, in the menu, select “new text thread”. I believe there’s a keyboard shortcut but I’m on my phone right now.

I'll take another look but from what I perceived all attempts to start a thread included tool calling in the payload. I couldn't seem to get any message through without tool calling instructions in the payload. What you're describing sounds exactly like what I attempted. I tried something like over 6 different variations of model configs with restarts of Zed in-between. The documentation and what Zed tries to configu…

You should have a drop-down for selecting a tool profile next to the drop-down for model selection. Select "Minimal" for no tools.

"New text thread" should also have no tools I believe.

https://zed.dev/docs/ai/agent-panel#profiles

Re: Claude Code: Now in Beta in Zed

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Post by mi_lk »

agrippanux wrote: post #353

I love Zed but this has all the hallmarks of something being totally rushed out the door. It works off the Claude Code SDK, which mean it doesn't support many of the built in slash commands - it doesn't support /compact, which is 100% necessary because when you use this implementation enough, you'll eventually get a "Prompt too long" error message with no ability to do anything about it. Since you can't see how far y…

Seems like those issues are largely limited by SDK so urging Anthropic to adopt is the only realistic move

Re: Claude Code: Now in Beta in Zed

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Post by TiredOfLife »

skhameneh wrote: post #238
TiredOfLife wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zed includes node.js runtime and 100s of megabytes of javascript. It is essentially Electron.

Complete nonsense. https://zed.dev/blog/videogame https://zed.dev/blog/we-have-to-start-over

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