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AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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Post by Balgair »

Havoc wrote: post #629
Balgair wrote: post #595

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Aisde: Hey, whats the prompt you're using for a summary of the news events?

Nothing super sophisticated - the key part is telling it the categories I want. It seems really good at sticking to that out of the box and seems to do 2-3 items for each category. ```Summarize today's news stories in concise bullet points focusing on relevance and clarity. Organize the summary into the following sections: * World Events: Major global developments and international headlines * Geopolitics: Political…

Strange!

I used to watch the YT channel that was just the Star Wars theme with the yellow wall of text being someone grab of the NYT's war section.

I've always wanted to do that again but with an Ai summarizing the news and making it Star-Wars-y.

Thank for the prompts!

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Post by tuatoru »

canonistically wrote: post #638
tuatoru wrote: post #625

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There are a lot of jobs which don't require meticulous accuracy - coming up with marketing plans, press releases, writing HR policies, reading and summarising reports, etc. Even in accounting I am sure you could use AI at times to help write or read your emails or summarise legislation or IRS rulings. Have it drive Excel or your financial systems directly? No, not yet.

> There are a lot of jobs which don't require meticulous accuracy - coming up with marketing plans, press releases, writing HR policies, reading and summarising reports, etc. I'm sorry but you think marketing plans, press releases, HR policies and report summaries do not need to be accurate? What sort of organization do you work with??

I read news media, and look at advertising. And I occasionally do some investigation. Have you not heard of Gell-Mann amnesia?

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

phkahler wrote: post #603
coffeefirst wrote: post #575

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I keep trying to get it to review my personal credit card statements. I have my own budget tracking app that I made, and sometimes there's discrepancies. Resolving this by hand is annoying, and an LM should be able to do it: scrape the PDF, compare the records to mine, find the delta. I've tried multiple models over the course of 6 months. Yesterday it told me I made a brilliant observation, but it hasn't managed to…

>> I keep trying to get it to review my personal credit card statements. I have my own budget tracking app that I made, and sometimes there's discrepancies. Resolving this by hand is annoying, and an LM should be able to do it: scrape the PDF, compare the records to mine, find the delta. This is a perfect example of what people don't understand (or on HN keep forgetting). LLMs do NOT follow instructions, they predict…

There are models that are tuned to follow instructions, and it kind of works. In a non deterministic way, like if you had a very unreliable junior that could kind of follow instructions but didn’t have very great attention yet.

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Post by nemo44x »

kypro wrote: post #497
nemo44x wrote: post #298

Is it pure AI or a guy in India that can cover the gap using AI to create good enough slop to pass? Everyone is doubling down on hiring IN India right now. H1B isn’t even a thing. It’s offshoring to Indians that are utilizing AI to ship good enough slop. Everyone’s India office is rapidly expanding.

I have a controversial take that the only reason knowledge jobs have been well paid and fairly safe in the West was because for a while they've been difficult to outsource, not because the skills themselves are particularly rare or hard to acquire. A few decades ago there was a focus in several low-cost economies (like China) to build out a manufacturing base and because of cheap global shipping it just made sense to…

Those countries are too disorganized to compete. It’s why we have to onshore the brains via H1B etc. China less so but unbelievably corrupt system. However LLM slop could, at least for awhile, level the field.

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Post by laughing_man »

realusername wrote: post #499
laughing_man wrote: post #394

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It doesn't have to replace people on a one-for-one basis to cause job losses. Let's say LLMs make your developers 50% more efficient. Doesn't it stand to reason you can lay off the lowest performing 33% and get the same amount (or more) of work?

Have you ever been at a company where the limiting factor was finding stuff to build? I've never seen one personally. If there's any productivity increase, they'll just build even more stuff. (And that's if we agree about a 50% increase I'd say 5% is already generous)

I have certainly been at companies where the limiting factor was finding stuff to build that someone was willing to pay for.

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Post by elevation »

Buttons840 wrote: post #588
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I've worked alongside (but never with) offshore developers, often from the big consultancy companies. One thing they tend to do is place one competent developer and a dozen less-so, so that the work gets done by the one but they get paid for a dozen people. But I also believe the managers hiring offshore employees are fully aware of this. If they aren't then they're not very good managers and/or have no idea what the…

The only management experience I've had was as a team lead at a US-based consulting company. It was really stressful because I felt like I was managing a team that wasn't capable of doing the work. I was expected to spend at least some of my time coding, and was responsible for the overall project. This is the first time it has occurred to me that this might have been intentionally set up to exploit me while maximizi…

> this might have been intentionally set up to exploit me while maximizing the amount we can charge the client

This was the sense I got from a friend's situation: he works for a consulting firm managing a large offshore team billed as "Oracle Experts" who are in reality completely incompetent. (Side note: How would a bunch of young third-world devs go about mastering a niche technology to the expert level?) The offshore team meets their contractual obligation by committing nonsense SLOC everyday that contains vague references to the requirements. But as the quarters roll by, it never actually meets requirements. So my friend learned the only way to deliver is for him to personally implement the solutions while juggling semi-daily meetings with the clients and the offshore team. The client is happy in the end, but it all takes a lot longer than it would he could drop the offshore team entirely.

In this situation, the value of the offshore team is they make the client believe that 1) their problems can only be solved by a large team and 2) they are paying less for this team than they would otherwise.

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