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AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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Post by aksss »

Ancalagon wrote: post #210
aksss wrote: post #201

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beside the point, but over 50 = proto-boomer? You mean para-boomer, maybe? Gen X is <=60, I believe, so you referring to the cusp boomer/genx I think..

genx is now proto-boomer

I do not think that word means what you think it means. Proto boomer would be pre-boomer or at least the very early boomer, and chronologically that makes zero sense. Understand what you're trying to say though -- Quasi, Para, Pseudo, Demi would each be more appropriate prefixes. A Demiboomer could be in the Monster Manual.

Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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Post by johnnienaked »

andersa wrote: post #494
narcotraffico1 wrote: post #260

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American workers are truly under attack from all sides. H1B. Outsourcing. What's left? The blue collar manufacturing is mostly gone. White collar work well on its way out. Why is our own government (by the people for the people) actively assisting in destroying American's ability to get jobs (H1B)? Especially in these conditions. I'm no racist or idiot but it's unacceptable. I didn't expect the gov to actively be con…

Your government no longer works for you, it works for a small group of billionaires. Does it make sense then?

This

Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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Post by balder1991 »

coffeefirst wrote: post #606
phkahler wrote: post #603

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>> I keep trying to get it to review my personal credit card statements. I have my own budget tracking app that I made, and sometimes there's discrepancies. Resolving this by hand is annoying, and an LM should be able to do it: scrape the PDF, compare the records to mine, find the delta. This is a perfect example of what people don't understand (or on HN keep forgetting). LLMs do NOT follow instructions, they predict…

Agreed. I keep trying stuff because I feel like I’m missing whatever magic people are talking about. So far, I’ve found nothing of value besides natural language search.

Yeah, if you go to a subreddit like ClaudeAI, you convince yourself there’s something you don’t know because they keep telling people it’s all their prompt faults if the LLM isn’t turning them into billionaires.

But then you read more of the comments and you see it’s really different interpretations from different people. Some “prompt maximalists” believe that perfect prompting is the key to unlocking the model's full potential, and that any failure is a user error. They tend to be the most vocal and create a sense that there's a hidden secret or a "magic formula" you're missing.

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Post by _se »

rimbo789 wrote: post #536
rekenaut wrote: post #395

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Traditionally, interns exist as a well-vetted and well-shaped supply of labor (which is very difficult to find through the traditional hiring process). The work they complete is secondary. Are companies going to stop needing good employees? Is nobody going to need to work in 40 years when all the current employees are phased out?

If interns existed like that they haven’t in the 21st century. They are a free disposable short term labour to be ripped through. Also what company do you know of thinks in 40 year terms? The longest budgeting process I’ve been part of has been 3 years and the year 3 numbers were understood to be pure wish fulfilment

That's precisely how most companies use interns. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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Post by Jensson »

balder1991 wrote: post #633
coffeefirst wrote: post #606

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Agreed. I keep trying stuff because I feel like I’m missing whatever magic people are talking about. So far, I’ve found nothing of value besides natural language search.

Yeah, if you go to a subreddit like ClaudeAI, you convince yourself there’s something you don’t know because they keep telling people it’s all their prompt faults if the LLM isn’t turning them into billionaires. But then you read more of the comments and you see it’s really different interpretations from different people. Some “prompt maximalists” believe that perfect prompting is the key to unlocking the model's ful…

Its basically making a stone soup, people wont believe it can be done, but then put a stone in water and boil it, and tell people if you aren't getting a nice soup you aren't doing it right, just put in all these other ingredients that aren't required but really helps and you get this awesome soup!

Then someone say that isn't stone soup, they just did all the work without the stone! But that is just a stone hater, how can you not see this awesome soup made by the stone?

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Post by harshalizee »

iamdelirium wrote: post #168
renewiltord wrote: post #146

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Pharmacists are my favourite. They're a human vending machine that is bad at counting and reading. But law protects them. Pretty good regulatory capture.

Please actually understand what pharmacists actually do and _why_ AI is not a good replacement for them yet, unless you want to die of certain drugs interactions.

Most of the world does pharmacy dispensing of medicine just fine or much better without the byzantine bureaucracy that it is in the States. Pharmacists in the US is the epitome of regulatory captured job security.

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Post by canonistically »

Jensson wrote: post #635
balder1991 wrote: post #633

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Yeah, if you go to a subreddit like ClaudeAI, you convince yourself there’s something you don’t know because they keep telling people it’s all their prompt faults if the LLM isn’t turning them into billionaires. But then you read more of the comments and you see it’s really different interpretations from different people. Some “prompt maximalists” believe that perfect prompting is the key to unlocking the model's ful…

Its basically making a stone soup, people wont believe it can be done, but then put a stone in water and boil it, and tell people if you aren't getting a nice soup you aren't doing it right, just put in all these other ingredients that aren't required but really helps and you get this awesome soup! Then someone say that isn't stone soup, they just did all the work without the stone! But that is just a stone hater, ho…

I think it's more like lottery winners giving "buy lottery tickets" as financial advice.

It is clear at this point that any meaning found in LLM outputs is projected there by the user. Some people by virtue of several intertwined factors can get some acceleration out of them, but most can't. It becomes like a football fan convinced that their rituals are essential for the team's victory.

Add the general very low understanding of machine learning (or even basic formal logic) and people go from a realistic emulation of conversations to magical thinking about having a mind in a box.

Either that or I am taking crazy pills. Because sometimes it feels like that.

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Post by canonistically »

tuatoru wrote: post #625
Havoc wrote: post #538

Not sure what these guys are studying but can tell you in the real world - essentially zero AI rollout in accounting world for anything serious. We've got access to some fancy enterprise copilot version, deep research, MS office integration and all that jazz. I use it diligently every day...to make me a summary of today's global news. When I try to apply it to actual accounting work. It hallucinates left, right & cen…

There are a lot of jobs which don't require meticulous accuracy - coming up with marketing plans, press releases, writing HR policies, reading and summarising reports, etc. Even in accounting I am sure you could use AI at times to help write or read your emails or summarise legislation or IRS rulings. Have it drive Excel or your financial systems directly? No, not yet.

> There are a lot of jobs which don't require meticulous accuracy - coming up with marketing plans, press releases, writing HR policies, reading and summarising reports, etc.

I'm sorry but you think marketing plans, press releases, HR policies and report summaries do not need to be accurate? What sort of organization do you work with??

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Post by CalRobert »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #601
CalRobert wrote: post #441

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For a counterpoint, I’ve worked with many great engineers in Latin America who are smart, capable, and in the same time zones as the US

As posted above, we had great success with Mexican hires out of Mexico City. General perception was the universities there produced qualified graduates who were not paper tigers (or didn't lie about creds). Rates for them were pretty good, and we had better alignment with timezones and holidays. Reasonably good alignment in terms of legal and HR issues -- easier to enforce than, like, Bangladesh The NAFTA / USMCA / w…

Maybe it makes sense to start sending Americans to CDMX... It's a city I'd love to spend some time in.

Re: AI adoption linked to 13% decline in jobs for young U.S. workers: study

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Post by bitcuration »

Havoc wrote: post #538

Not sure what these guys are studying but can tell you in the real world - essentially zero AI rollout in accounting world for anything serious. We've got access to some fancy enterprise copilot version, deep research, MS office integration and all that jazz. I use it diligently every day...to make me a summary of today's global news. When I try to apply it to actual accounting work. It hallucinates left, right & cen…

It's not about using LLM for calculation, it's about automation and agentic. The integration and deployment in enterprise will be a matter of time. Hiring fresh out of school used to be labor and training, but knowing in 5 years the industry will shrink while the senior staff will keep the boat floating aided by AI, the cutoff time is now. There is no need to keep sending young generation to industries that're bound to be automated enmass. And these are in the immediate near term.

Other industries are yet to see how AI will impact, it may or may not ever. But in some science fields, new graduated PhDs are seen the same hiring freeze. The complete outsourcing of school knowledge to LLM is coming to our life real soon, the only factor not making it faster is the data center and energy, which are being worked on to resolve in a couple years. These are the reason AI is not yet as cheap as search and ready for consumer market. But it's cheap or will be cheaper enough in two years for enterprise at a cost lower than human resource. The answer is obvious when looking at it on a 5 year horizon.

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