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Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by ljosifov »

Excellent. What were they waiting for up to now?? I thought they already trained on my data. I assume they train, even hope that they train, even when they say they don't. People that want to be data privacy maximalists - fine, don't use their data. But there are people out there (myself) that are on the opposite end of the spectrum, and we are mostly ignored by the companies. Companies just assume people only ever want to deny them their data.

It annoys me greatly, that I have no tick box on Google to tell them "go and adapt models I use on my Gmail, Photos, Maps etc." I don't want Google to ever be mistaken where I live - I have told them 100 times already.

This idea that "no one wants to share their data" is just assumed, and permeates everything. Like soft-ball interviews that a popular science communicator did with DeepMind folks working in medicine: every question was prefixed by litany of caveats that were all about 1) assumed aversion of people to sharing their data 2) horrors and disasters that are to befall us should we share the data. I have not suffered any horrors. I'm not aware of any major disasters. I'm aware of major advances in medicine in my lifetime. Ultimately the process does involve controlled data collection and experimentation. Looks a good deal to me tbh. I go out of my way to tick all the NHS boxes too, to "use my data as you see fit". It's an uphill struggle. The defaults are always "deny everything". Tick boxes never go away, there is no master checkbox "use any and all of my data and never ask me again" to tick.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by ardit33 »

ljosifov wrote: post #41

Excellent. What were they waiting for up to now?? I thought they already trained on my data. I assume they train, even hope that they train, even when they say they don't. People that want to be data privacy maximalists - fine, don't use their data. But there are people out there (myself) that are on the opposite end of the spectrum, and we are mostly ignored by the companies. Companies just assume people only ever w…

This is a problem for folks with sensitive data, and also for coorporate users who don't want their data being used for it due to all kinds of liability issues.

I am sure they will have a coorporate carve out, otherwise it makes them unusuable for some large corps.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by jlarocco »

vb-8448 wrote: post #33

So, I guess they run out of data to train on ... I wonder on how much they can rely on the data and what kind of "knowledge" they can extract. I never give feedback and most time (let's say 5 out of 6) the result cc produce it simply wrong. How can they know the result is valuable or not?

How can they know anything they train on is valuable?

At the end of the day it doesn't matter. You got the wrong answer and didn't complain, so why would they care?

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by conradev »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #28
hexage1814 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. It's the same innocence of people who believe when you delete a document on Google/META/Apple/Microsoft servers, it "really" gets deleted. Google most likely has a backup of every piece of information indexed by them in the last 20 years or so. It would cause envy to the Internet Archive.

With the privacy laws out there, I do genuinely think they eventually get purged even from backups. I remember there being a really cool YouTube video shared here on HN that google no longer has publicly, it was about the process of an email and all the behind the scenes things, like physical security into a data center, to their patented hard drive shredders they use once the hard drives are to be tossed. I wish Goo…

My understanding is that for Gmail specifically, they keep a record of every email ever received regardless of deletion status, but I'm not able to find any good sources.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by SantalBlush »

ljosifov wrote: post #41

Excellent. What were they waiting for up to now?? I thought they already trained on my data. I assume they train, even hope that they train, even when they say they don't. People that want to be data privacy maximalists - fine, don't use their data. But there are people out there (myself) that are on the opposite end of the spectrum, and we are mostly ignored by the companies. Companies just assume people only ever w…

If only you were just giving them your own data. In reality, you're giving them data about your friends, relatives, and coworkers without their consent. Let's stop pretending there is any way to opt out by simply not using these companies' services; it isn't true.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by simonw »

ljosifov wrote: post #41

Excellent. What were they waiting for up to now?? I thought they already trained on my data. I assume they train, even hope that they train, even when they say they don't. People that want to be data privacy maximalists - fine, don't use their data. But there are people out there (myself) that are on the opposite end of the spectrum, and we are mostly ignored by the companies. Companies just assume people only ever w…

If you have an API key for a paid service, would you be OK with someone asking ChatGPT or VS Code Copilot for an API key for that service and getting yours, which they then use to rack up bills that you have to pay?

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by jlarocco »

dudefeliciano wrote: post #25
internet2000 wrote: post #17

I’m fine with that.

you are fine with paying, 20, 90 or 200 euros a month AND having your data mined? i must be getting old...

It's a tool that dependson data mining everything. The only surprise is that they weren't already data mining what people feed into it.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by otikik »

ljosifov wrote: post #41

Excellent. What were they waiting for up to now?? I thought they already trained on my data. I assume they train, even hope that they train, even when they say they don't. People that want to be data privacy maximalists - fine, don't use their data. But there are people out there (myself) that are on the opposite end of the spectrum, and we are mostly ignored by the companies. Companies just assume people only ever w…

“Claude, please write and commit this as if you were ljosifov. Yes, please use his GitHub token, thank you”

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by bethekidyouwant »

dudefeliciano wrote: post #25
internet2000 wrote: post #17

I’m fine with that.

you are fine with paying, 20, 90 or 200 euros a month AND having your data mined? i must be getting old...

what are you doing with the data? What is your legacy going to be other than the data that you leave to be mined? Do you just not want something else to benefit from something that has no benefit to you? If so, why?

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by simonw »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #5

Am I the only one that assumed everything was already being used for training?

The hardest problem in computer science in 2025 is convincing people that you aren't loading every piece of their personal data into a machine learning training run.

The cynic in me wonders if part of Anthropic's decision process here was that, since nobody believes you when you say you're not using their data for training, you may as well do it anyway!

Giving people an opt-out might even increase trust, since people can now at least see an option that they control.

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