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Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by bwillard »

hexage1814 wrote: post #23
AlecSchueler wrote: post #5

Am I the only one that assumed everything was already being used for training?

This. It's the same innocence of people who believe when you delete a document on Google/META/Apple/Microsoft servers, it "really" gets deleted. Google most likely has a backup of every piece of information indexed by them in the last 20 years or so. It would cause envy to the Internet Archive.

Officially, up to you if you believe they are following their policies, all of the companies have published statements on how long they keep their data after deletion (which customers broadly want to support recovery if something goes wrong).

- Google: active storage for "around 2 months from the time of deletion" and in backups "for up to 6 months": https://policies.google.com/technologies/retention?hl=en-US

- Meta: 90 days: https://www.meta.com/help/quest/609965707113909/

- Apple/iCloud: 30 days: https://support.apple.com/guide/icloud/delete-files-mm3b7fcd...

- Microsoft: 30-180 days: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/compliance/assurance/assur...

So if it ends up that they are storing data longer there can be consequences (GDPR, CCPA, FTC).

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by diggan »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #28
hexage1814 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. It's the same innocence of people who believe when you delete a document on Google/META/Apple/Microsoft servers, it "really" gets deleted. Google most likely has a backup of every piece of information indexed by them in the last 20 years or so. It would cause envy to the Internet Archive.

With the privacy laws out there, I do genuinely think they eventually get purged even from backups. I remember there being a really cool YouTube video shared here on HN that google no longer has publicly, it was about the process of an email and all the behind the scenes things, like physical security into a data center, to their patented hard drive shredders they use once the hard drives are to be tossed. I wish Goo…

> I know once you delete something on Discord its poof, and that's the end of that. I've reported things that if anyone at Discord could access a copy of they would have called police. There's a lot of awful trolls on chat platforms that post awful things.

That's not what Discord themselves say, is that coming from Discord, the police or someone else?

> Once you delete content, it will no longer be available to other users (though it may take some time to clear cached uploads). Deleted content will also be deleted from Discord’s systems, but we may retain content longer if we have a legal obligation to preserve it as described below. Public posts may also be retained for 180 days to two years for use by Discord as described in our Privacy Policy (for example, to help us train models that proactively detect content that violates our policies). - https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/5431812448791-...

Seems to be something that decides if the content should be deleted faster, or kept for between 180 days - 2 years. So even for Discord, "once you delete something on Discord its poof" isn't 100% accurate.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by vb-8448 »

So, I guess they run out of data to train on ...

I wonder on how much they can rely on the data and what kind of "knowledge" they can extract. I never give feedback and most time (let's say 5 out of 6) the result cc produce it simply wrong. How can they know the result is valuable or not?

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by vb-8448 »

nrclark wrote: post #20
ratg13 wrote: post #12

I can understand training AIs on books, and even internet forums, but I can't help but think that training an AI on lots of dumb questions with probably an excessive amount of grammar and spelling errors will somehow make it smarter.

Depends on how you’re using the data. There’s a pretty strong correctness signal in the user behavior. Did they rephrase the question? Probably the first answer was wrong. Did the session end? Good chance the answer was acceptable. Did they ask follow-ups? What kind? Etc.

I'm used to doing the same task 4 or 5 times (different sessions, similar prompts), and most of the time the result is useless or completely wrong. Sometimes I go back and pick the first result, other time none of them, other time a mix of them. I'm wondering how can they extract value from this.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by giancarlostoro »

diggan wrote: post #32
giancarlostoro wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the privacy laws out there, I do genuinely think they eventually get purged even from backups. I remember there being a really cool YouTube video shared here on HN that google no longer has publicly, it was about the process of an email and all the behind the scenes things, like physical security into a data center, to their patented hard drive shredders they use once the hard drives are to be tossed. I wish Goo…

> I know once you delete something on Discord its poof, and that's the end of that. I've reported things that if anyone at Discord could access a copy of they would have called police. There's a lot of awful trolls on chat platforms that post awful things. That's not what Discord themselves say, is that coming from Discord, the police or someone else? > Once you delete content, it will no longer be available to other…

At least in terms of reporting content to "Trust and Safety" they certainly behave like its gone forever. I have had friends report illegal content, to both Discord and law enforcement, the take away seemed like it was gone, now it's making me wonder if Discord is really archiving CSAM material for two years and not helping law enforcement unless a proper warrant is involved, yikes.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by christophilus »

AlexandrB wrote: post #24
leetbulb wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Typically I would be against something like this, but in this case, have it.

How do you feel about this data being used to target advertising at you in the inevitable rush to monetize these AI products?

I feel like that’s annoying, but it’s a drop in the bucket vs the current firehose of ads, and there’s a slim shot these ads might actually be interesting or relevant to me.

Anyway, I’ll block them like I do everything.

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by ath3nd »

javier_e06 wrote: post #13

I use AI to solve problems, not to check the weather or deciding what to wear. As such it makes sense for AI to remember when it hits the nail on the head.

And if you solve a novel problem, Claude will happily take your reasoning and give it to the next user trying to solve the same novel problem. Imagine if that was a guy working for the competition :)

Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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Post by ath3nd »

christophilus wrote: post #38
AlexandrB wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel about this data being used to target advertising at you in the inevitable rush to monetize these AI products?

I feel like that’s annoying, but it’s a drop in the bucket vs the current firehose of ads, and there’s a slim shot these ads might actually be interesting or relevant to me. Anyway, I’ll block them like I do everything.

Oh, sweet summer child, your SOLUTIONS will be trained on and will be given to others without your permission and knowledge.

But now that you bring up ads, I guarantee you that those will somehow be incorporated in Claude soon.

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